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Question: Should there be Antes in 1 Day £15-£50 comps?
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« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2013, 09:41:14 AM »

Personally, I don't see a point in 25 antes, the chip stacks at the start of the tournament are too big for them to make any steals. I do like ante's but think they should be brought in later. In Derby I brought them in at 400/800/100 suited the recreational game quite well imo.

I would however get rid of them in Turbo's
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« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2013, 09:56:50 AM »

Think like many have said plzzz don't do away with antes, it's great for players learning and adapting a basic game ready for something bigger. I'd like to actually see comps with my play in them, be nice to have deeper stack comps with buyin between £30-£50. I've seen posted on Facebook many times comps going off in Luton but because it takes me 1hour half to get there it's not really possible midweek. 30k stack 20min clock starting at 7pm for example, think different clocks and stacks would be better experimented with.
I don't really understand people moaning about game going on late, if ur going to poker then just expect it and if u stay til 3am then it usually means ur chopping which is surely worth it.
Keep antes I for one would not be interested in playing them but if Dtd feel the need to try then fair play
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« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2013, 09:57:33 AM »

I wouldn't play in a game that doesn't have antes. The only exception is a pub game but they're more about getting pissed than playing poker.


Antes should come in earlier, starting stacks should be lower, and re-entries should not be allowed (except for big buyins perhaps).

The Gala here had a £50 f/o, 20,000 chips, 20 min clock. No antes. Good lord what an awful structure. Nothing happens for 2 hours then with 20-30 players left the average is 10BB and its past midnight. Yawn.

G meanwhile had a £50 f/o, 15,000 chips, 24 min clock (no 25/50), and antes. MUCH better. The first levels becpme relevant and by the time of the final the average is 30BB.

I remember when DTD had 25/50/75 comps with starti g stacks of 3k/4k/5k. That's more like it! Right from the word go pots matter and the game is exciting.

Nowadays it seems to be considered necessary to start everyone with 200+BB. What's the point. It's boring. It's a crappy nightly turbo. I don't want to sit pointlessly with loads of chips for 2 hours before the game starts to get interesting.

I understand the thinking of people not wanting a wasted trip but this is flawed IMO. That's what side games and cash games are for.

How about some sort of offer like first 5 knocked out get free entry into a cheaper 2nd tournament which has a faster clock and starts 2 hours after the first. (Eg of there's a £25 comp you might make a £15 2nd comp). It's something those who are knocked out can play so you don't have to worry about th being concerned about getting knocked out early.

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« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2013, 10:03:46 AM »

I took the pathetic option and voted 'dont know'. I suppose if the people in the know think it makes sense then who am I to disagree. But I would like to see it in the small torns only (25) and perhaps only once a week, because as others have said having them is better for more aggressive players.
 I played won the £25 last night and noted the 75 antes were missing, which was a good thing.
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« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2013, 10:05:19 AM »

Think like many have said plzzz don't do away with antes, it's great for players learning and adapting a basic game ready for something bigger. I'd like to actually see comps with my play in them, be nice to have deeper stack comps with buyin between £30-£50. I've seen posted on Facebook many times comps going off in Luton but because it takes me 1hour half to get there it's not really possible midweek. 30k stack 20min clock starting at 7pm for example, think different clocks and stacks would be better experimented with.
I don't really understand people moaning about game going on late, if ur going to poker then just expect it and if u stay til 3am then it usually means ur chopping which is surely worth it.
Keep antes I for one would not be interested in playing them but if Dtd feel the need to try then fair play

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« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2013, 10:08:39 AM »

I took the pathetic option and voted 'dont know'. I suppose if the people in the know think it makes sense then who am I to disagree. But I would like to see it in the small torns only (25) and perhaps only once a week, because as others have said having them is better for more aggressive players.
 I played won the £25 last night and noted the 75 antes were missing, which was a good thing.

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« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2013, 10:46:31 AM »

I took the pathetic option and voted 'dont know'. I suppose if the people in the know think it makes sense then who am I to disagree. But I would like to see it in the small torns only (25) and perhaps only once a week, because as others have said having them is better for more aggressive players.
 I played won the £25 last night and noted the 75 antes were missing, which was a good thing.

Brag!! Wink

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« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2013, 10:48:49 AM »

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« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2013, 11:02:45 AM »

They obviously favour the more savvy, aggressive players. Personally, if the aim of the <£60 comps is to attract new or less experienced players, keeping antes out of the comp (at least until late stages) is a good thing, IMO.

I prefer comps without antes for say the super 50 types, even if I were playing more aggressively and picking up chips at that stage. The game flows better and there's always one who forgets to post every hand, a dealer who's understandably fed up of asking and a situation where someone hasn't posted and we have to work out who it was. I'm not convinced the comp gets finished any quicker either way. Introduce them at the final table.

For £100 and multi day comps, antes are important and there is an expectation that the players are more comfortable and better equipped to deal with the changing dynamics.

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« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2013, 11:26:42 AM »


I don't have a strong view, but this caught my eye from Rob's OP.......


1. These DTD comps are mainly aimed at recreational players, £15-£50 buy-ins, we need the game as simple as possible at this level


A lot of heads are being buried in the sand right now - poker needs more new blood, the global trend suggests far less players playing regularly, & less new players joining, & the trend is accelerating.

Anything which encourages more new blood in the game must be tried. Without it, the downward trend will not abate.

I'm not convinced that Antes make much difference at the Buy-In Levels Rob is discussing, & it can't exactly make the game user-friendly to newbies.

It's not a big deal either way, in itself, but every decision should be based on how we get more players to play the game. If it means denying the established regulars the perfect poker experience they rightly crave, I don't think that's a huge price to pay if it helps new players feel more comfortable.
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« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2013, 11:40:44 AM »

Remember that feeling when you scooped your first ever massive live pot and the dealer heaves a mound of lovely chips at you? I do. It was great.

Antes pretty much ensure lots of chips on the table which means more FUN. Yeehaa.
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« Reply #41 on: December 16, 2013, 11:48:01 AM »

Remember that feeling when you scooped your first ever massive live pot and the dealer heaves a mound of lovely chips at you? I do. It was great.

Antes pretty much ensure lots of chips on the table which means more FUN. Yeehaa.

I try to win my first pot before the antes kick in.
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« Reply #42 on: December 16, 2013, 12:54:54 PM »

Remember that feeling when you scooped your first ever massive live pot and the dealer heaves a mound of lovely chips at you? I do. It was great.

Antes pretty much ensure lots of chips on the table which means more FUN. Yeehaa.

I try to win my first pot before the antes kick in.

Which is the main reason Tal has no experience of playing with antes in play.
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« Reply #43 on: December 16, 2013, 12:56:00 PM »

Remember that feeling when you scooped your first ever massive live pot and the dealer heaves a mound of lovely chips at you? I do. It was great.

Antes pretty much ensure lots of chips on the table which means more FUN. Yeehaa.

I try to win my first pot before the antes kick in.

Which is the main reason Tal has no experience of playing with antes in play.

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« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2013, 01:01:24 PM »

Remember that feeling when you scooped your first ever massive live pot and the dealer heaves a mound of lovely chips at you? I do. It was great.

Antes pretty much ensure lots of chips on the table which means more FUN. Yeehaa.

If this is an issue, just put more lower value chips instead of a couple of 1ks.

Also race chips off later in the comp.
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