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« Reply #165 on: February 21, 2014, 06:08:20 PM »

As said earlier i was watching final 2 tables whilst palying cash.
the aa hand as i recall the big stack button who had been jamming limped button, this seemed very standard as sb (the person complaining , was very short), so it would make sense prob for big stack button and bb to take sb, small stack on, normal satty play.  what happened tho was weird and sb folded, leavin bb and button in hand, bb had aces and it went to river, there was bet and call on river, cant remember which way round.
again cant see how any of this play incriminates anyone, i think a series of events have unfolded in a certain way that are open to multiple views,dependant on the viewers bias. very tricky one imo
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« Reply #166 on: February 21, 2014, 06:22:15 PM »

Numerous people are saying how collusion is difficult to spot and there are only a few ways to spot it, this simply isn't true. Arguably sometimes it can be intricate but with a very good support team thy would often reach the correct answer.

Around 6 months ago I sent an email to pokerstars about potential collusion between 2 players and they took it very seriously. It took them around 3 days to come to a conclusion keeping me updated on 3 separate occasions. The conclusion was no colluding but the detail stars went into was incredible and they provided evidence why they believed the players weren't colluding. I felt extremely confident and satisfied with the outcome and other support teams should follow this example.
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« Reply #167 on: February 21, 2014, 09:28:13 PM »

Update

We just wanted to put something out there to clarify our position.

At approximately 3pm today Dusk Till Dawn management provided us with the specific details of the allegations (supplied to them by IPoker this morning).

By 6pm we had both individually responded, in full, to every single concern presented to us. We continue to maintain our stance on this matter and we can see no valid reason why the actions taken against us will not be reconsidered.

Frustratingly DTD have advised us that this could take longer than the weekend (due to IPoker looking into all the facts).

We just wanted to put out this statement to keep people advised of where things are, rather than have our silence be seen as an admission of guilt. The single most important thing in this is are our reputations and we have made that clear throughout. 

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« Reply #168 on: February 21, 2014, 10:10:23 PM »

Hypothetical question.

I am playing a satellite on Pokerstars.

We are 3 handed with 2 seats to EPT Grand final on offer.

I have 200k

p1 has 20k

p2 has 20k

P1 is to my left and a lovely picture of Trevor Sinclair as his avatar

P2 is the bb when it's my button and his picture is a montage of Gary Neville, Paul Ince, Alan Shearer, Fergie, John Hartson and Luis Suarez

I don't know either of these two players.

Would it be against the rules to pass every small blind but jam every button and call any sb shove from the bb?
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« Reply #169 on: February 21, 2014, 10:14:01 PM »

Why would you keep jamming on Trevor Sinclair?
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« Reply #170 on: February 21, 2014, 10:45:27 PM »

Why would you keep jamming on Trevor Sinclair?

I fucked up.

You get the idea though.

Would this be against the rules?
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« Reply #171 on: February 21, 2014, 10:55:57 PM »

I forgot to say a laughing Daniel Negreanu is also in P2s avatar.
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« Reply #172 on: February 21, 2014, 10:58:39 PM »

Why would you keep jamming on Trevor Sinclair?

I fucked up.

You get the idea though.

Would this be against the rules?

Would it be suspicious ? If it is suspicious then it may be seen to be against the rules.

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« Reply #173 on: February 21, 2014, 11:17:01 PM »

Why would you keep jamming on Trevor Sinclair?

I fucked up.

You get the idea though.

Would this be against the rules?

Would it be suspicious ? If it is suspicious then it may be seen to be against the rules.

Sandy

I take a random dislike to someone, so I stop them winning.

Just another example of how stupid sats are.
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« Reply #174 on: February 21, 2014, 11:47:42 PM »

Trevor Sinclair is the nuts
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« Reply #175 on: February 22, 2014, 12:24:03 AM »

Trevor Sinclair has the nuts

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« Reply #176 on: February 22, 2014, 12:33:53 AM »

The main general lesson to be learned from this is that satellites are not worth playing.

Especially on IPoker where chat is not turned off near the bubble.

If you want to play a big tournament for a fraction of the buy in, use a regular tournament in lieu of a satty.

They are worth playing because not only is there often plenty of overlay to be had (a rarity now-a-days) but there's plenty of people playing them who've no idea of the best strategy to use eg they are trying to win the thing.
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« Reply #177 on: February 22, 2014, 12:45:47 AM »

To take a decision this quickly I can only assume the findings are quite obvious

It would only take 5 mins for a Poker security to realise (having seen the HH from the start of the tourny) that one guy is folding very stong hands after the same IP guy is opening from an earlier position, when the folder would normally call/3b. I don't think this bust is all about the bubble play (IMO the big stack has every right to select who the hell he wants to qaulify in a satellite, without reprisal), but perhaps due to how things were played out before?
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« Reply #178 on: February 22, 2014, 12:50:47 AM »

I notice the iPoker security guys aren't rated too highly. Probably lots of personnel changes from when I worked with them, but in those days it was mainly degenerate poker geeks in the roles so they were pretty sound on the background in these sort of cases.

I personally think that your experience of their security dept in the past gives them more credence. Surely it won't be any worse than that, and your experience should (in theory) be at worst the bottom of the trough for expertise?
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« Reply #179 on: February 22, 2014, 01:59:11 AM »

Why would you keep jamming on Trevor Sinclair?

I fucked up.

You get the idea though.

Would this be against the rules?

Would it be suspicious ? If it is suspicious then it may be seen to be against the rules.

Sandy

I take a random dislike to someone, so I stop them winning.

Just another example of how stupid sats are.

I have a feeling that I have seen some rules on one site where you weren't allowed to soft play anyone like this.  Can't remember where I saw it.  Would be a shame if sites started cracking down on spite calls and shoves against the bloke who has just wished you dead on the other table. 

Clearly a bad example. You would have instablocked the Negreanu avatar first time you saw it, so can't imagine it would still be there when you got 3 handed.

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