Shark's Scope

[SuuPRlim]

Great to see arbboy back! True hero of blonde :-)

[Killergibbo]

Needs banning...worse thing that ever happen to online poker..if people want to play poker for a living then they need to work for it and huds are making it Easyer for these types of players...
If you can't do it in a live game then you shouldn't be able to online..

After 4 years of playing poker for a living I've return back to work because its too hard to make enough money online now and I never used any HUD... I focus my time to live poker now in my spare time

There is hardly any fish that play online now its just shark eat shark

[theprawnidentity]

Needs banning...worse thing that ever happen to online poker..if people want to play poker for a living then they need to work for it and huds are making it Easyer for these types of players...
If you can't do it in a live game then you shouldn't be able to online..

After 4 years of playing poker for a living I've return back to work because its too hard to make enough money online now and I never used any HUD... I focus my time to live poker now in my spare time

There is hardly any fish that play online now its just shark eat shark

Wow.

[strak33]

Needs banning...worse thing that ever happen to online poker..if people want to play poker for a living then they need to work for it and huds are making it Easyer for these types of players...
If you can't do it in a live game then you shouldn't be able to online..

After 4 years of playing poker for a living I've return back to work because its too hard to make enough money online now and I never used any HUD... I focus my time to live poker now in my spare time

There is hardly any fish that play online now its just shark eat shark

Nailed it. Lock the thread.

[pleno1]

if you cant make money at poker after making money for 4 years the simple fact is that youve probably been very lazy and not put any work in.

games such as 200nl are soft if you put work in and try to work on your game. if you win 4bb-100 at 100nl which is pretty easy to do, especially if you have played professionally for 4 years then you can easily make in excess of 50k-year.

HUDs are not the problem, Sharkscope is not the problem, self determination and hard work most likely is.

Sorry if I sound blunt btw.


this is just no limit btw, where HUDS are usually blamed.

Omaha, nobody really even knows how to play it properly, so definitely not dead.

Limit holdem, ok probably dead. but this is not because of huds.

Sngs, maybe, but this is not because of huds.

MTTs? Absolutely not.

[BorntoBubble]

Ban herbie mob as well then?

[rfgqqabc]

Herbiemob doesn't show losses so its a bit different. I wish the rail was still dead.

[titaniumbean]

pads lol people really dont want to hear the truth rofl

[Doobs]

if you cant make money at poker after making money for 4 years the simple fact is that youve probably been very lazy and not put any work in.

games such as 200nl are soft if you put work in and try to work on your game. if you win 4bb-100 at 100nl which is pretty easy to do, especially if you have played professionally for 4 years then you can easily make in excess of 50k-year.

HUDs are not the problem, Sharkscope is not the problem, self determination and hard work most likely is.

Sorry if I sound blunt btw.


this is just no limit btw, where HUDS are usually blamed.

Omaha, nobody really even knows how to play it properly, so definitely not dead.

Limit holdem, ok probably dead. but this is not because of huds.

Sngs, maybe, but this is not because of huds.

MTTs? Absolutely not.

STTs are the future, faster the better.

[JGill_DTD]

+1 to everything pleno says

[verndog158]

+1 to everything pleno says

 

[theprawnidentity]

+1 to everything pleno says

And -1 to everything Vernon has said, is saying and will say, EVER.

[mulhuzz]

Tikay this is going to be a ridiculous example, please excuse the ridiculousness and hopefully you see the point:

I play football every Wednesday (obviously I don't, fat lad etc) whilst the imaginary wife and kids are in bed/watching a TV program from the mid 90s.

I just like to jump in and play for a couple of hours and have some crack, and it costs me about £50 to play because I actually pay for the pitch along with a couple of other lads.

Problem is though, I've never heard of football boots and Wayne Rooney turns up every week wearing the latest boots which, even though he's a better player than me anyway, really do further his advantage.

Anyway, I fluked one last week, top bin from 18 yards. But Wayne went mental with me. Saying I shouldn't shoot from that far because I'm super bad at football etc and I felt real bad that I'd paid my money to take this shit from him and his fucking boots.


Now. Should we ban football boots or tell Wayne not to be a dick to the guy who funds the game?


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Yeah, you're right - the model of player valuation in the industry is absolutely bananas - I've been banging that drum for 3 or 4 years now -- but tracking and technology is such a small part of the overall picture for making poker fun for recs that ta significance is absolutely overstated. There are even positives (rail birds, hsdb etc that dan spoke about above)...and actually the net effect is probably quite hard to quantify.... You can't say the same about players being dicks. No possible upside there.

You say it causes big discussion next door on the forum (maybe you didn't say that, typing from memory...) and everyone says 'get rid!' -- well, only ~10% of sky players will have ever logged into the forum and maybe 2% have ever posted, so it's not a huge sample but it's easy to over play but I digress....

Hope at least 10% of that made sense.

[verndog158]

+1 to everything pleno says

And -1 to everything Vernon has said, is saying and will say, EVER.

  i will end you Pompom
 

[mulhuzz]

Also, whilst I'm at it, someone mentioned how real name play might help....

That's short-termist at best and at worst is absolutely neutral. This is what studies in S Korea have shown when looking at anonymity online. You may get a small short-medium term improvement but previous norms in social groups (in this case the chat box) soon return once participants get used to the idea of being unmasked.

I'd be surprised if dtd cash games had difference experiences which weren't IKEA effected.