call or fold?

[polerization]

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/8270191_E66C908BB4

had mixed opinions on this hands so see what the majority do?

[Ironside]

Shove your winning

[polerization]

Shove your winning

disagree with this don't think we should really get called by worse when we shove. I went with call as he does take off here with Qx and maybe some Ax hands as well. Think foldings to nitty and really dislike raising.

[Rexas]

Shove your winning

What makes you think that? (Just wondering, that's not meant to sound stand-offish :p)

[KarmaDope]

Shove your winning

What makes you think that? (Just wondering, that's not meant to sound stand-offish :p)

Whilst I dont know Ironside's thought processes (this could be good or bad), I agree with what he says.

The only hands that check flop and calls turn is QJ, QT or JT (and I would expect JT to raise). Underpairs fold turn, Ax bets flop and all 2 pair hands raise turn due to straightening board. I'm not expecting a random Villain to get funky on a 5NL 6-max table and slow play 2 pair on the turn of an 2AKQ board.

[polerization]

Shove your winning

What makes you think that? (Just wondering, that's not meant to sound stand-offish :p)

Whilst I dont know Ironside's thought processes (this could be good or bad), I agree with what he says.

The only hands that check flop and calls turn is QJ, QT or JT (and I would expect JT to raise). Underpairs fold turn, Ax bets flop and all 2 pair hands raise turn due to straightening board. I'm not expecting a random Villain to get funky on a 5NL 6-max table and slow play 2 pair on the turn of an 2AKQ board.

From what ive seen I'd expect him to have KQ some of the time here never gonna have AQ but QJ/QT/JT are all parts of his range that check back the flop. I think raising here is bad to be honest, think we rarely ever get all the chips in the middle against worse

[JGill_DTD]

Shove your winning

What makes you think that? (Just wondering, that's not meant to sound stand-offish :p)

Whilst I dont know Ironside's thought processes (this could be good or bad), I agree with what he says.

The only hands that check flop and calls turn is QJ, QT or JT (and I would expect JT to raise). Underpairs fold turn, Ax bets flop and all 2 pair hands raise turn due to straightening board. I'm not expecting a random Villain to get funky on a 5NL 6-max table and slow play 2 pair on the turn of an 2AKQ board.

Think the question is what calls a cram though?

If you can only limit it to J10+ (which it should be, perhaps calls with worse 50% of the time), then it shouldnt be a jam.

In regards to call/raising we should be ahead here 61% of the time (based on a range of Q10, QJ, J10, KQ), with pot odds of 33% we should be making the call.

Even if you rule out Q10 then we have 50%, thus should call.

[KarmaDope]

Thing is though, our hand is very well disguised.

We've played passively oop and as such, we have a lot of one pair/two pair holdings in our range plus bluffs and JT, or even KQ.

I don't expect him to show up here with AK/AQ/KQ at all based on how he has played it. AQ/AK would bet flop and KQ would raise turn to protect. More often than not he has Qx and JT. A cram over his raise can only gain us chips/image. If he folds he doesnt get to see our cards and if he calls we are chopping at worst.

[EvilPie]

Shove your winning

What makes you think that? (Just wondering, that's not meant to sound stand-offish :p)

Whilst I dont know Ironside's thought processes (this could be good or bad), I agree with what he says.
 

Lol. Pretty sure Ironside's thought process is based entirely on knowing the outcome of the hand.

In reality he calls as should pretty much everyone.

[Ironside]

Shove your winning

What makes you think that? (Just wondering, that's not meant to sound stand-offish :p)

Whilst I dont know Ironside's thought processes (this could be good or bad), I agree with what he says.
 

Lol. Pretty sure Ironside's thought process is based entirely on knowing the outcome of the hand.

In reality he calls as should pretty much everyone.

+1

[Ironside]

sorry my point was by posting the boom hand we see the whoe hand at showdown and therefore no one is going to say fold because hindsight is wonderful

[polerization]

sorry my point was by posting the boom hand we see the whoe hand at showdown and therefore no one is going to say fold because hindsight is wonderful

oh okay yeah i couldnt be arsed to type it out

[Ironside]

sorry my point was by posting the boom hand we see the whoe hand at showdown and therefore no one is going to say fold because hindsight is wonderful

oh okay yeah i couldnt be arsed to type it out

just cut and paste the HH much easier and you get better more honest replies just cut the post at the part in the action you want people to discuss

[JustinSayne]

Closer to a fold than it is a jam

Just sigh calling and expect to see KQ a lot