River Decision

[shipitgood]

Reads: opponent has been really solid, has never got out of line so far. Quite tight, not been involved in many pots.

20nl hand:

In the BB with 

Button raises to 60p, sb calls. I 3 bet to £2, button folds, small blind calls. Pot is £5. I have £73, villain has £43 at the start of the hand.

Flop; 

Villian checks, I bet £2.80, villain calls. Pot is £10.60.

Turn; 

Villian checks, I bet £5.30, villain raises to £15.90 total. I call.

River is 

Villian checks, what are we doing here on the river? Pot is £42.40, villain has £27.10 left.

Standard set him in? Ever a check? Or just bet smallish?

[verndog158]

When he check raised the turn and checks the river, am never putting him all in, seems like your never getting called by worse. When you call his raise think your hand is fairly face up, so his check could be to induce you to bet. Guess he could have a weaker ace, but happy to check here and get to showdown

[mulhuzz]

I think bet folding is cool. Value from all the Aces you cooler, fold to his boats and flushes.

[Rexas]

Chris, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one buddy.

Just going on the river decision, ignoring pre and turn 0

If he check raises better than AK on this turn, then checks to you on the river, it's absolutely criminal. The board is very dry, his check raise on the turn looks very strong, and any and every hand we bet for value on this river would also call a jam. To my mind, he shouldn't really ever have us beat here, and if he does, then it's worth making a note that he doesn't like winning money. As such, I would assume he's pretty unlikely to have one of the full house combos, and is much more likely to have an AK/AQ/AJ type of hand. I'm a little torn between sticking him in and betting like £10, but on balance I don't think he's really folding given how much he's put in the pot, and we're never going to induce a raise.

[shipitgood]

It's quite a tough one, and to be honest the time bar you don't have much time to think at all.

I was thinking is he checking a better hand for deception. But again didn't really think that made a whole lot of sense.

The only hand's I beat really are AQ AJ, chopping with AK, versus all the hands that beat me/ flushes/ houses.

Don't know if it's a mistake but I checked.

[Rexas]

It's quite a tough one, and to be honest the time bar you don't have much time to think at all.

I was thinking is he checking a better hand for deception. But again didn't really think that made a whole lot of sense.

The only hand's I beat really are AQ AJ, chopping with AK, versus all the hands that beat me/ flushes/ houses.

Don't know if it's a mistake but I checked.

I think this is a mistake, regardless of the outcome of the hand. Certainly very, very interesting if the villain is going to check raise the turn and, leaving himself with a really good stack for shoving the river, then check a hand that beats us.

[verndog158]

I think bet folding is cool. Value from all the Aces you cooler, fold to his boats and flushes.

Bet folding to me has to be the worst option, any amount we bet we are priced in to calling a jam. Seems if we don't shove and bet, it's to call off, which despite not being what I'd do here, after reading rexas reasoning, can't be bad I don't think

[JGill_DTD]

Pretty sure he always river jams boats and flushes on this river.

I think he hates the flush on the riv, so just wants to check/call with his Ax hands whilst rolling his eyes and being all like "sigh".

Think it has to be AQ or AJ in this spot, for him to be aggro on turn with a fd (unlikely) then miss out on all value when it comes in by checking is a pretty big horror show. Same applies to boats the way in which he has set this up to make it an easy jam.

Since I feel like he is always check/calling I don't see any other option than to put him in. Think bet/folding is pretty bad when he has 60% pot, can def be justified when we are both playing chunks but with stack sizes it can't be done

[shipitgood]

Cheers everyone, spoke to a few people about it on Skype too, they were unanimous it should be a jam.

Would have been interesting if villain had jammed.

Given reads, it would probably be a fold, really struggling to find a call after the turn action.

[Rexas]

Cheers everyone, spoke to a few people about it on Skype too, they were unanimous it should be a jam.

Would have been interesting if villain had jammed.

Given reads, it would probably be a fold, really struggling to find a call after the turn action.

What did he have in the end?

[shipitgood]

He had JQ o/s lol

Basically I should have bet 20p to induce a shove haha

[Rexas]

He had JQ o/s lol

Basically I should have bet 20p to induce a shove haha

Cheers for buying me dinner, chris

[shipitgood]

He had JQ o/s lol

Basically I should have bet 20p to induce a shove haha

Cheers for buying me dinner, chris

And my cut?

[mulhuzz]

I think bet folding is cool. Value from all the Aces you cooler, fold to his boats and flushes.

I misread stack sizes and action. Just pile

[Rexas]

He had JQ o/s lol

Basically I should have bet 20p to induce a shove haha

Cheers for buying me dinner, chris

And my cut?

Well, if I was completely right, it was £27.10 :p