Sky 6max weird spot

[TL900]

I try to look at people, but I really struggle to know what i'm looking for/knowing what things mean.

His face was pretty emotionless, didnt seem tense was looking infront of him shuffling chips in his left hand. Neck wasn't pulsing (although I was other side of the table)

In an earlier hand when he bet the turn with a draw his cheeks were moving as if he was chewing something (he wasn't) and he wasn't doing that in this hand, again I don't know if thats an actual tell or me just being a donk.

[Tal]

I try to look at people, but I really struggle to know what i'm looking for/knowing what things mean.

His face was pretty emotionless, didnt seem tense was looking infront of him shuffling chips in his left hand. Neck wasn't pulsing (although I was other side of the table)

In an earlier hand when he bet the turn with a draw his cheeks were moving as if he was chewing something (he wasn't) and he wasn't doing that in this hand, again I don't know if thats an actual tell or me just being a donk.

This is the stuff I most enjoy about poker. I obviously love strategy element but it's the NLP/motivations/people skills that gets me going.

I could write an essay but there's a huge misunderstanding IMO about what you're looking for in "tells" (I abhor that word); every person is different and they have different motivations, different fears, different desires and different ways of exhibiting emotions. There are obviously trends but the idea that there are many Le Chiffres and Teddy KGBs out there is comic.

The most basic thing to look for is change. In a hand like this, where it's either a lot or not a lot, you're very likely to have an opponent with adrenaline and so spotting that (in this case probably being released through his chewing) is of no use.

Now, you're looking for comfort. That's the only info you can garner in reality. He knows you might have a hand that's not folding when he bets the turn, so any bluffs in his range will see him uneasy. Comfort is a sign he doesn't care and that's a very strong indicator.

I'm very much an amateur in this stuff, but an enthusiast nonetheless. If anyone has any different views, happy to hear them.

[Rexas]

Is being sick all over the guy an option? So much that he can't see his cards through the massive pile of spew?

[TL900]

Is being sick all over the guy an option? So much that he can't see his cards through the massive pile of spew?

sums up my emotions at the time pretty well actually.

[Rexas]

Personally, I think this hand is pretty difficult to comment on, because we don't really know a great deal about the player. I mean, on a texture like this in a sky six max (where a large amount of the field are going to be satellite entries and of hugely varying standard) the guy can legitimately have all the 2 pair, set, straight combos as well as fucking loads of flush draws, straight draws, combo draws, even just top pair that decides it doesn't want to see a turn card on this board texture.

All that being said, I'm definitely a fan of flatting the raise on the flop against most opponents, and that turn card is just about the only card where folding can't be that bad. But, as I said, I think this is so heavily player dependant that I'm finding it hard to offer anything concrete. In a pure, readless, first hand at the table vacuum I think it's close between folding turn and calling turn to fold river, so at least then he has to properly commit to any bluff he's running since we can still have all the value hands ourselves, and a turn flat should seem pretty scary. Leaning towards folding though.

All that being said, I'm pretty shit at this game, so I'm going to go with going Mt. Spewmore on his face.

[TL900]

Do people really think he has a bluffing range here? I dont think hes bluffing like ever even otf (especially with his sizing), I feel like people just bluff wayyyyyyyyyyyyy less than people think too both online and live but maybe thats a bad habit of mine.

[pleno1]

It's never bad to make a bad fold. It's probably tough to play your a game and not make incorrect folds.

[youthnkzR]

Call flop, Call turn, fold river which isn't  imo.

[Oxford_HRV]

Villain should be bluffing a bit more than usual due to the dodgy 4handed effectiveness and being the sb when bb is dead.
I 3b flop as standard pray I don't get 4b take initiative and check through this turn and river