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« on: August 22, 2014, 03:51:06 PM »

180 Man final table - what should my calling range be here when the SB shoves into me.

PokerStars Hand #120444413167: Tournament #957166840, $2.28+$0.22 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (1250/2500) - 2014/08/22 15:09:13 WET [2014/08/22 10:09:13 ET]
Table '957166840 17' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Rafa margez (6326 in chips)
Seat 2: StepToLuck (40616 in chips)
Seat 3: SNGN (35676 in chips)
Seat 4: dizlike (25210 in chips)
Seat 5: 33teetwo33 (35064 in chips)
Seat 6: yobsik (60516 in chips)
Seat 7: Tibichelie (16770 in chips)
Seat 8: zahamowany (21990 in chips)
Seat 9: m.sandor85 (27832 in chips)
Rafa margez: posts the ante 250
StepToLuck: posts the ante 250
SNGN: posts the ante 250
dizlike: posts the ante 250
33teetwo33: posts the ante 250
yobsik: posts the ante 250
Tibichelie: posts the ante 250
zahamowany: posts the ante 250
m.sandor85: posts the ante 250
dizlike: posts small blind 1250
33teetwo33: posts big blind 2500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 33teetwo33 []
yobsik: folds
Tibichelie: folds
zahamowany: folds
m.sandor85: folds
Rafa margez: folds
StepToLuck: folds
SNGN: folds
dizlike: raises 22460 to 24960 and is all-in
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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2014, 04:37:20 PM »

QJs+
Ax
77+

IMHO

but don't quote me on that I aint played a hand of poker for a few months
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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2014, 04:41:30 PM »

I'd get it in with

K9ss+
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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2014, 11:23:14 AM »

This varies so massively depending on opponent, that it is hard to give an answer.

You got any reads?
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2014, 05:16:47 PM »

This varies so massively depending on opponent, that it is hard to give an answer.

You got any reads?
This. Could opr him and get more reads than you give. So hard to answer with basically no information. And i will be calling this pretty tight still as we have just landed on the final have always found that even though stacks are short we don't need to push the action. Just get into a good position to get a top 3 finish first off.
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2014, 05:27:10 PM »

not my area of expertise, not that i have one to be fair. prawn identity would be the best man for this i feel!
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2014, 06:42:26 PM »

Calling tighter than so far suggested. Granted people will jam a little wider now they have landed at the FT.
We are 4th in chips so really see no need to call wide.
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2014, 06:58:22 PM »

Initial thoughts were to call this jam with 77+,AQ+,AJs+
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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2014, 12:09:39 AM »

Initial thoughts were to call this jam with 77+,AQ+,AJs+
Just had a really good laugh at how tight that is but absolute nits are going to nit.
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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2014, 05:10:36 AM »

Hi der.  Obviously depends on how wide we imagine the villain is going to shove.  But if we go in order from wide to tight:

Some villains will shove ATC in this spot, giving us a calling range of:

(45.9%) 33+,A2+,K2s+,K3o+,Q3s+,Q6o+,J7s+,J8o+,T8s+,T9o


If villain is slightly competent, they should be shoving somewhere round nash optimal which looks like:

Villan Shoving Nash (Optimal):  (68%) 22+,A2+,K2+,Q2s+,Q5o+,J2s+,J7o+,T2s+,T6o+,93s+,96o+,84s+,86o+,73s+,76o,63s+,65o,52s+,43s

Hero Call:  (29.1%) 44+,A2+,K6s+,K8o+,Q9s+,QTo+,JTs


If we then give him a much tighter range than nash, something like:

(32%) 22+,A2+,K5s+,K8o+,Q8s+,Q9o+,J9s+,T9s

Then we should be calling off with:

(11.2%) 55+,A8s+,A9o+,KQs


Completely readless, I think I would be happy calling it off with somewhere in the region of 20% of hands to be on the safe side.


With regards of wanting to call it off tighter, I wouldn't hesitate to stick it in wide here because the pay jumps between 9th and 4th are relatively small.  I would be looking to take some fairly small edges in these spots to try and give ourselves a decent stack and a much better chance of getting HU where you can actually make some $$$.
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« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2014, 11:20:08 PM »

Hi der.  Obviously depends on how wide we imagine the villain is going to shove.  But if we go in order from wide to tight:

Some villains will shove ATC in this spot, giving us a calling range of:

(45.9%) 33+,A2+,K2s+,K3o+,Q3s+,Q6o+,J7s+,J8o+,T8s+,T9o


If villain is slightly competent, they should be shoving somewhere round nash optimal which looks like:

Villan Shoving Nash (Optimal):  (68%) 22+,A2+,K2+,Q2s+,Q5o+,J2s+,J7o+,T2s+,T6o+,93s+,96o+,84s+,86o+,73s+,76o,63s+,65o,52s+,43s

Hero Call:  (29.1%) 44+,A2+,K6s+,K8o+,Q9s+,QTo+,JTs


If we then give him a much tighter range than nash, something like:

(32%) 22+,A2+,K5s+,K8o+,Q8s+,Q9o+,J9s+,T9s

Then we should be calling off with:

(11.2%) 55+,A8s+,A9o+,KQs


Completely readless, I think I would be happy calling it off with somewhere in the region of 20% of hands to be on the safe side.


With regards of wanting to call it off tighter, I wouldn't hesitate to stick it in wide here because the pay jumps between 9th and 4th are relatively small.  I would be looking to take some fairly small edges in these spots to try and give ourselves a decent stack and a much better chance of getting HU where you can actually make some $$$.

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