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Re: A Taxing debate
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Quote from: pleno1 on September 25, 2014, 12:15:42 PM
I know the guys from betfred, bet365, willhill very very well from my time in Gibraltar and hats exactly the kind of stuff they will be doing. I'd guess that somebody form each of the above logs on t blonde every day.
...and every other "Gambling Forum"?
blonde is tiny compared to many.
"Major" Online bookmajkers have hundreds of thousands of Clients, can take 50 or 60,000 bets on a decent football match at the rate of hundreds of bets per minute, & the whole thing is software automated. There's no place in that for a little man spying on every sports betting forum.
If everyone "regular" on Fred has a bet on the Arsenal Man C game, that might be £2,000 of bets in a very liquid market. The bookies will collectively take a 7 figure number on a MNF match, so £2k or whatever is nothing.
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Re: A Taxing debate
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September 25, 2014, 12:23:52 PM »
Quote from: DaveShoelace on September 25, 2014, 12:19:14 PM
Quote from: pleno1 on September 25, 2014, 10:44:27 AM
I mean at a time where governments are doing lots of negative stuff to the industry I'm sure their experts are swooping around forums etc, do we need to have a huge debate in here. Maybe best to say nothing kind of thing.
The recent banning of auto top up for UK players would suggest to me that the UK government knows very little about poker, and probably don't know anything about poker forums.
That surprised me so I looked into it. It doesn't appear to be new. It's from a technical standards document from 2009. What is new is that companies are having to comply with it as they are now licensed by the UK government.
To be fair to the UK government it's actually a more complex issue than it looks. While it obviously does benefit winning players to be able to auto top up, there can be little doubt in my mind it causes losing players to lose more than maybe they would otherwise.
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Re: A Taxing debate
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September 25, 2014, 12:24:51 PM »
Quote from: tikay on September 25, 2014, 12:22:14 PM
Quote from: pleno1 on September 25, 2014, 12:15:42 PM
I know the guys from betfred, bet365, willhill very very well from my time in Gibraltar and hats exactly the kind of stuff they will be doing. I'd guess that somebody form each of the above logs on t blonde every day.
...and every other "Gambling Forum"?
blonde is tiny compared to many.
"Major" Online bookmajkers have hundreds of thousands of Clients, can take 50 or 60,000 bets on a decent football match at the rate of hundreds of bets per minute, & the whole thing is software automated. There's no place in that for a little man spying on every sports betting forum.
If everyone "regular" on Fred has a bet on the Arsenal Man C game, that might be £2,000 of bets in a very liquid market. The bookies will collectively take a 7 figure number on a MNF match, so £2k or whatever is nothing.
They also have a chunk of time in the morning where they are sitting around not doing a great deal looking at various information sources to price up matches and decide what to push to punters and how to price up specials and offers.
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Re: A Taxing debate
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September 25, 2014, 12:25:00 PM »
Quote from: AlunB on September 25, 2014, 12:19:47 PM
Quote from: tikay on September 25, 2014, 12:16:47 PM
Quote from: The Camel on September 25, 2014, 12:11:27 PM
Quote from: tikay on September 25, 2014, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: pleno1 on September 25, 2014, 10:44:27 AM
I mean at a time where governments are doing lots of negative stuff to the industry I'm sure their experts are swooping around forums etc, do we need to have a huge debate in here. Maybe best to say nothing kind of thing.
Ahh, gotcha. You typed "
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debate" which sort of curve-balled me, sorry.
I think you are being a shade paranoid here & I don't agree that it is unwise to discuss this.
I can't imagine that anything written on a two bit poker forum will change how Governments think. It'll be on others forums, too. We can't really censure or ban such a debate because we think it might be bad for us.
Some folks believe that we should not discuss Bookmakers tactics on Fred, as they think the bookies spend all day surfing blonde in case someone gets £10 @ 5/1 on a 4/1 shot. I don't buy that either, not for a second. The bigger bookies are taking bets via automated software processes, in the run up to big events they are taking thousands of "BPM" ("Bets Per Minute").
The notion that they have a little man sitting there, spying on blonde, can't be serious.
Same with the UK Government, or the Tax people, they have better things to do than read every UK "specialist" forum.
For the record, I think regulation, broadly speaking, is not only very necessary & overdue, I think it is a good thing.
I do regret that some players will be inconvenienced, &/or negatively impacted, but it is what it is, it is needed.
How come a "major" bookmaker asked Blonde to delete one of my posts then?
Very good.
Well they sponsored blonde at the time, so that may have had a bearing on matters. Bookies sure as hell don't have hordes of staff monitoring forums.
Sky Bet almost certainly doesn't, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if some of the more old-school trader heavy books spend a chunk of time looking at forums and twitter
Well I'm sure they all take note of, say, Pricewise etc, but very little beyond that sort of thing.
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Re: A Taxing debate
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September 25, 2014, 12:26:55 PM »
Quote from: AlunB on September 25, 2014, 12:24:51 PM
Quote from: tikay on September 25, 2014, 12:22:14 PM
Quote from: pleno1 on September 25, 2014, 12:15:42 PM
I know the guys from betfred, bet365, willhill very very well from my time in Gibraltar and hats exactly the kind of stuff they will be doing. I'd guess that somebody form each of the above logs on t blonde every day.
...and every other "Gambling Forum"?
blonde is tiny compared to many.
"Major" Online bookmajkers have hundreds of thousands of Clients, can take 50 or 60,000 bets on a decent football match at the rate of hundreds of bets per minute, & the whole thing is software automated. There's no place in that for a little man spying on every sports betting forum.
If everyone "regular" on Fred has a bet on the Arsenal Man C game, that might be £2,000 of bets in a very liquid market. The bookies will collectively take a 7 figure number on a MNF match, so £2k or whatever is nothing.
They also have a chunk of time in the morning where they are sitting around not doing a great deal looking at various information sources to price up matches and decide what to push to punters and how to price up specials and offers.
Maybe so, but I think we need to keep the size of blonde, & Fred, in perspective. It is very very small indeed in the grand scheme of sports betting in the UK, not even on the measureable scale.
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Re: A Taxing debate
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September 25, 2014, 12:27:20 PM »
Seems fair in principle if they pay tax where it's due.
However, if most of us were in the same spot and paying the tax made a big difference to our future how many of us would try to dodge it if they could? I think I probably would. It's easy to say you wouldn't when you don't have that real situation laid down in front of you.
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Re: A Taxing debate
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September 25, 2014, 12:31:09 PM »
Quote from: DaveShoelace on September 25, 2014, 12:19:14 PM
Quote from: pleno1 on September 25, 2014, 10:44:27 AM
I mean at a time where governments are doing lots of negative stuff to the industry I'm sure their experts are swooping around forums etc, do we need to have a huge debate in here. Maybe best to say nothing kind of thing.
The recent banning of auto top up for UK players would suggest to me that the UK government knows very little about poker, and probably don't know anything about poker forums.
They don't like the idea of people putting money in play without actually acknowledging that they are doing so. It isn't anything like a silly as some of the other regs throughout the world eg the French taxing a pot when there isn't a flop dealt. If players find some way of showing that there aren't any risks, it can probably get changed.
Also HMRC gave poker a carve out because rakeback/player rewards were so prevalent and the definition of gross revenue for tax purposes is rake less rakeback/rewards.
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Re: A Taxing debate
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September 25, 2014, 12:32:09 PM »
Quote from: TightEnd on September 25, 2014, 12:20:46 PM
Quote from: DaveShoelace on September 25, 2014, 12:19:14 PM
Quote from: pleno1 on September 25, 2014, 10:44:27 AM
I mean at a time where governments are doing lots of negative stuff to the industry I'm sure their experts are swooping around forums etc, do we need to have a huge debate in here. Maybe best to say nothing kind of thing.
The recent banning of auto top up for UK players would suggest to me that the UK government knows very little about poker, and probably don't know anything about poker forums.
care to link to your article?
the submission to the UKGC was very interesting
TY. Its not 'my' arguments btw, some guys on 2+2, but interesting stuff indeed:
http://www.pokerstrategy.com/news/world-of-poker/87097/
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Re: A Taxing debate
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Reply #128 on:
September 25, 2014, 12:34:19 PM »
Quote from: AlunB on September 25, 2014, 12:23:52 PM
Quote from: DaveShoelace on September 25, 2014, 12:19:14 PM
Quote from: pleno1 on September 25, 2014, 10:44:27 AM
I mean at a time where governments are doing lots of negative stuff to the industry I'm sure their experts are swooping around forums etc, do we need to have a huge debate in here. Maybe best to say nothing kind of thing.
The recent banning of auto top up for UK players would suggest to me that the UK government knows very little about poker, and probably don't know anything about poker forums.
That surprised me so I looked into it. It doesn't appear to be new. It's from a technical standards document from 2009. What is new is that companies are having to comply with it as they are now licensed by the UK government.
To be fair to the UK government it's actually a more complex issue than it looks. While it obviously does benefit winning players to be able to auto top up, there can be little doubt in my mind it causes losing players to lose more than maybe they would otherwise.
It's true. However, I'm of the belief that it's an opt-in feature that only the big grinders are really aware of and use. Just like recs dont use the 'cascade' feature or the 'default to 2.5bb bet' features, they also don't know of or feel the need to use it.
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Re: A Taxing debate
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September 25, 2014, 12:36:35 PM »
Quote from: pleno1 on September 25, 2014, 12:15:42 PM
I know the guys from betfred, bet365, willhill very very well from my time in Gibraltar and hats exactly the kind of stuff they will be doing. I'd guess that somebody form each of the above logs on t blonde every day.
The poker reps maybe (Is Vali still at WH btw? Top bloke) but doubtful the sports guys. The poker industry is so much smaller than we all think and it's a minnow compared to sports betting and horse racing. I imagine Tikay and co get the table right at the back near the toilets at the SkyBet Xmas do.
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Re: A Taxing debate
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September 25, 2014, 12:40:37 PM »
Quote from: DaveShoelace on September 25, 2014, 12:34:19 PM
Quote from: AlunB on September 25, 2014, 12:23:52 PM
Quote from: DaveShoelace on September 25, 2014, 12:19:14 PM
Quote from: pleno1 on September 25, 2014, 10:44:27 AM
I mean at a time where governments are doing lots of negative stuff to the industry I'm sure their experts are swooping around forums etc, do we need to have a huge debate in here. Maybe best to say nothing kind of thing.
The recent banning of auto top up for UK players would suggest to me that the UK government knows very little about poker, and probably don't know anything about poker forums.
That surprised me so I looked into it. It doesn't appear to be new. It's from a technical standards document from 2009. What is new is that companies are having to comply with it as they are now licensed by the UK government.
To be fair to the UK government it's actually a more complex issue than it looks. While it obviously does benefit winning players to be able to auto top up, there can be little doubt in my mind it causes losing players to lose more than maybe they would otherwise.
It's true. However, I'm of the belief that it's an opt-in feature that only the big grinders are really aware of and use. Just like recs dont use the 'cascade' feature or the 'default to 2.5bb bet' features, they also don't know of or feel the need to use it.
It's not exactly hidden. It's about two clicks away in the main menu bit on the client isn't it?
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Re: A Taxing debate
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September 25, 2014, 12:43:57 PM »
BTW UK pro players paying tax could likely solve one of the biggest issues they face, and that's getting a mortgage. They would still face hurdles of course but not as many.
As a taxpayer I love watching UK pro players shit themselves whenever I tweet a headline with UK+poker+tax in it. I'm surprised James Atkin hasn't been on yet, he is usually the first to panic. Bless him.
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Re: A Taxing debate
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September 25, 2014, 12:44:51 PM »
Quote from: AlunB on September 25, 2014, 12:40:37 PM
Quote from: DaveShoelace on September 25, 2014, 12:34:19 PM
Quote from: AlunB on September 25, 2014, 12:23:52 PM
Quote from: DaveShoelace on September 25, 2014, 12:19:14 PM
Quote from: pleno1 on September 25, 2014, 10:44:27 AM
I mean at a time where governments are doing lots of negative stuff to the industry I'm sure their experts are swooping around forums etc, do we need to have a huge debate in here. Maybe best to say nothing kind of thing.
The recent banning of auto top up for UK players would suggest to me that the UK government knows very little about poker, and probably don't know anything about poker forums.
That surprised me so I looked into it. It doesn't appear to be new. It's from a technical standards document from 2009. What is new is that companies are having to comply with it as they are now licensed by the UK government.
To be fair to the UK government it's actually a more complex issue than it looks. While it obviously does benefit winning players to be able to auto top up, there can be little doubt in my mind it causes losing players to lose more than maybe they would otherwise.
It's true. However, I'm of the belief that it's an opt-in feature that only the big grinders are really aware of and use. Just like recs dont use the 'cascade' feature or the 'default to 2.5bb bet' features, they also don't know of or feel the need to use it.
It's not exactly hidden. It's about two clicks away in the main menu bit on the client isn't it?
It is remarkable how two clicks is a massive barrier for some people online.
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Re: A Taxing debate
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September 25, 2014, 12:45:35 PM »
Quote from: tikay on September 25, 2014, 12:16:47 PM
Quote from: The Camel on September 25, 2014, 12:11:27 PM
Quote from: tikay on September 25, 2014, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: pleno1 on September 25, 2014, 10:44:27 AM
I mean at a time where governments are doing lots of negative stuff to the industry I'm sure their experts are swooping around forums etc, do we need to have a huge debate in here. Maybe best to say nothing kind of thing.
Ahh, gotcha. You typed "
taxi
debate" which sort of curve-balled me, sorry.
I think you are being a shade paranoid here & I don't agree that it is unwise to discuss this.
I can't imagine that anything written on a two bit poker forum will change how Governments think. It'll be on others forums, too. We can't really censure or ban such a debate because we think it might be bad for us.
Some folks believe that we should not discuss Bookmakers tactics on Fred, as they think the bookies spend all day surfing blonde in case someone gets £10 @ 5/1 on a 4/1 shot. I don't buy that either, not for a second. The bigger bookies are taking bets via automated software processes, in the run up to big events they are taking thousands of "BPM" ("Bets Per Minute").
The notion that they have a little man sitting there, spying on blonde, can't be serious.
Same with the UK Government, or the Tax people, they have better things to do than read every UK "specialist" forum.
For the record, I think regulation, broadly speaking, is not only very necessary & overdue, I think it is a good thing.
I do regret that some players will be inconvenienced, &/or negatively impacted, but it is what it is, it is needed.
How come a "major" bookmaker asked Blonde to delete one of my posts then?
Very good.
Well they sponsored blonde at the time, so that may have had a bearing on matters. Bookies sure as hell don't have hordes of staff monitoring forums.
I doubt they monitor TFT, but some sure as hell have Google alerts for their company name switched on.
Far too much of a coincidence that a "stale" price is flagged up on blonde that has been there for days and is chopped within minutes of appearing in the thread.
Maybe not all bookies, but some for absolute certain.
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Re: A Taxing debate
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September 25, 2014, 12:45:38 PM »
Quote from: DaveShoelace on September 25, 2014, 12:36:35 PM
Quote from: pleno1 on September 25, 2014, 12:15:42 PM
I know the guys from betfred, bet365, willhill very very well from my time in Gibraltar and hats exactly the kind of stuff they will be doing. I'd guess that somebody form each of the above logs on t blonde every day.
The poker reps maybe (Is Vali still at WH btw? Top bloke) but doubtful the sports guys.
The poker industry is so much smaller than we all think and it's a minnow compared to sports betting and horse racing. I imagine Tikay and co get the table right at the back near the toilets at the SkyBet Xmas do.
Lol, right on both counts Mr C.
Compared to Sports Betting, Poker is positively tiny.
Globally, the amount wagered on all Online gaming is absolutely huge. The Internet caught everyone off guard, & regulation - not just gaming, everything, especially legal areas such as defamatory comments, & "libel" generally - have not been policed or Regulated because they fall outside the structure of tradition legal jurisdictions. They have to be Regulated. We've had 10 or 20 years of freedom, but it ain't been all good.
It'll take a while to get right, & upset a lot of people, & even harm some, which is regrettable, but it has to be done. You just can't have a multi trillion business unregulated. (Or multi billion in the case of Online Poker).
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