My name's Alex and I'd like to learn PLO

[SuuPRlim]

Thanks Dave, taken all those comments on board.

About the 99QAA board, why would he feel the need to bluff the lone Ace on the river? And if he was betting it for value, does he expect me to call (he bet big) with worse? My assumption was that he wouldn't bet Axxx in this spot, either as a bluff or for value, so discounted it heavily. Was that foolish?

Sorry I think i wasn't very clear;

I meant on the turn the most likely hand to bet, then bluff river would a lone ACE - assuming ofc that the river isn't an ACE, when he rivers trips and now beats all 9's he wont bluff, he also won't value bet a non-full house OTR, at lest I would think VB AK would prolly be pretty bad.

I just can't imagine why he would be bluffing this turn and river with this action. Also I think he would often stab the turn with AQ. He might have QQ but I think bombing the river with QQ is pretty poor and A9 is ofc very possible although I'd have thought he'd have bet the flop with A9. AA is also obviously also possible but the big river bet is a bit silly with AAAA given he's just praying you have QQ.

SO i think your assumptions are correct, he wouldn't bet worse than A9 for value this big, he wouldn't bluff with a better hand but IDK how he could be bluffing. I'd fold Q9 and actually would be pretty tempted to fold A9 here, I think he just has AQ all the time tbh...

[SuuPRlim]

@Pleno I think your hand looks like Q9 at best on the river in that hand, you would raise the turn with QQ and I'd expect a turn lead with A9. Looks pretty much like what it is tbh.

[DMorgan]

Live 5/5

1) I'm utg playing 500 with limp 5, utg 20, utg1 75, folds to me I call, utg calls.

we are first to act. Plan? Pot is 225 we have 430ish. Is pre ok?

2) Lots of limps for €5 I'm in mp with limp, few more limps, sb makes it 25, we go 5 ways.

checks to me I bet 100, sb minraises to 200 with 300 back. He is 60/70. Wwyd?

8765 seems to me to be one of the worst types of hands to limp and try to take multiway. I'd much rather limp a hand like trashy AA/KK where if you flop a set even multiway it'll probably be top set and you'll be able to get it in with much better equity than with a hand like 5678. Even if you flop the nut straigt with extensions you're not loving life multiway on boards with a flush draw. Often of course you'll be flopping non-nut straights and its just going to get really messy imo. I'd open on most tables but fold in a splashy live game where you're just going to get into a ton of trouble. Open folding is never going to be a huge leak here imo.

As played I would fold to the 75, its just going to get repotted by UTG1 and jammed by UTG2 too often and you'll end up having to call off the rest with 8 high which all feels pretty silly when it started with a limp. As played I can't see anything other than c/folding being remotely good but maybe people bluff and value bet thinly in these spots more than I think they do.

Hand 2 I think pre is ok, obv plenty of reasons to fold and I'd fold KQ77 but with 88 against a ton of limpers where they can have the smaller pairs too I think its enough to make it a call pre getting a big price. As played I would just call, his hand looks way more like a set/2pr raising to see where he's at. Older gentleman with a flopped nut flush in a multi way limped pot is going to be scared enough of the board pairs to just jam it in more often than not I think.

Edit: didn't see the raise pre from SB, feels like the kind of game where your opponents are going to continue with 100% of their limping range when it gets raised in this spot so you probably should flick in? Not loving it though, definitely more convinced that its an open fold pre now.

Haven't looked at the last two but will do, I've started learning PLO recently too so will def contribute some hands, gl

[HutchGF]

Hope people don't mind me posting this here. Also learning PLO and looking to improve. Here's a hand from recent session, no reads or data on villain.

PokerStars Zoom Hand #122695320524:  Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2014/10/06 15:30:16 ET
Table 'Thyestes' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: hutch_hammer ($116.67 in chips)
Seat 2: AdenerS ($15.33 in chips)
Seat 3: DuCkTiltpy ($16.42 in chips)
Seat 4: Megafran ($37.46 in chips)
Seat 5: Procyon10 ($28.64 in chips)
Seat 6: BearFromLT ($25.77 in chips)
AdenerS: posts small blind $0.10
DuCkTiltpy: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hutch_hammer [td ]
Megafran: folds
Procyon10: raises $0.60 to $0.85
BearFromLT: folds
hutch_hammer: calls $0.85
AdenerS: folds
DuCkTiltpy: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Procyon10: bets $1.25
hutch_hammer: raises $1.75 to $3
Procyon10: calls $1.75
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Procyon10: checks
hutch_hammer: bets $4.25
Procyon10: calls $4.25
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Procyon10: bets $10

Preflop, I just peeled pre with a good hand in position. I do sometimes 3 bet these type hands but decided to flat.

Flop raise as I don't think he has too many 69s in his range and I want to take control of the pot. Also wanted to build the pot as there are plenty good cards for me on the turn.

Turn gin card and I'm thinking how to get value. Thoughts on bet size here? In hindsight I think it's a little small.

I guess he can't lead too often here with worse than my hand and it's a sigh fold?

Appreciate some thoughts, my thinking is not always clear on these hands and would appreciate some more experienced players opinions.

[SuuPRlim]

there's $8 in there on the turn right?

Like the flop raise we have a 96 blocker, were IP, we have a hand that can very easily stand a flop 3bet so it's a great spot for a raise.

Turn defo go bigger, i'd be going $6.50~ make him pay - this in PLO people can have all types of stuff not like NL where they just have one thing

River, certainly a fold - his hand looks perfectly like a full house, if he's bluffing (idk what with...) fair play give the man his pot (his range = stronger than urs).

hope you folded, very nice hand if you did - just bet bigger on the turn.

[HutchGF]

Yeah, I folded. Thanks for the advice, shows my instincts are getting better as I thought my turn bet was too small.

[cambridgealex]

Yeh, this is a thread for all

I've been doing the lot lately, both live and online sigh. Couple from today's disaster session. Thoughts on all streets please,  especially the river. Villain is a reg, plays well from what I can tell. Looks like a missed draw or the remain two AAxx to me. This is €0.50/1 stakes, in case that's relevant.

Hand 1

SB: 229.17 BB (VPIP: 21.76, PFR: 14.71, 3Bet Preflop: 5.13, Hands: 175)
BB: 244.63 BB (VPIP: 42.91, PFR: 28.84, 3Bet Preflop: 14.00, Hands: 857)
UTG: 108.38 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 12.96, 3Bet Preflop: 2.50, Hands: 109)
CO: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 27.96, PFR: 18.64, 3Bet Preflop: 9.17, Hands: 285)
Hero (BTN): 121.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has
fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BB raises to 8 BB, Hero calls 5.5 BB

Flop : (16.5 BB, 2 players)
BB bets 11 BB, Hero calls 11 BB

Turn : (38.5 BB, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 27 BB, BB calls 27 BB

River : (92.5 BB, 2 players)
BB bets 80 BB and is allin, Hero ?

Hand 2

Given pre and my hand, I heavily discounted sets from villains range, and found 42xx unlikely. Thoughts?

BB: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Hero (CO): 168.88 BB
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 36.90, PFR: 27.38, 3Bet Preflop: 19.44, Hands: 85)
SB: 144.58 BB (VPIP: 32.69, PFR: 19.23, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 52)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has
Hero raises to 3.5 BB, BTN calls 3.5 BB, fold, BB calls 2.5 BB

Flop : (11 BB, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 8 BB, BTN raises to 25.18 BB, fold, Hero calls 17.18 BB

Turn : (61.36 BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 59.86 BB, Hero  ? (playing ~70)

[pleno1]

hand 1 id fold the flop and call the river, feel like its hard to improve down the streets and vs his range we do poorly. would be confused but would call the river

hand 2 it may be bad?? but id fold pre. if i get to the turn id fold too

[rfgqqabc]

Hutch I'd go a bit bigger on the flop too but wp.

Hand one from alex seems standard, we don't do great vs his range, but we can happily fold on clubs/t/j/q and don't get barreled too often by too many scrappy hands. I think we realise enough equity when he cbets to this size. I also don't think people fire the turn too light so if its a real brick and he goes big then I'm happy folding.

Hand two really sucks, really really sucks. I'd decide on the dynamic, vs some guys I play with I'd be happy folding, some I'd be happy getting it in against. His big aces with fds have really improved ofc but some guys might flat this and raise smaller sd type of things because they have "blockers" 4467 etc. Button is somewhat weighted away from some big AKxx hands, as he'd likely 3b them pre. Maybe same hand? AK5? Pretty much talked myself into a fold despite all this.

[cambridgealex]

Calling river hand 1 Adam?

[rfgqqabc]

Yeh, just what's he supposed to have, we chop a bunch though.

[SuuPRlim]

hand 1 i'd play the same yeh, would call the river.

hand 2 fold now, defo. I kinda wanna fold the flop actually, I think thats one of those "look into a man's avatar" kinda spots, depeneds who it is.

[cambridgealex]

Thanks chaps. Always great to read your posts.

Fwiw, hand 1 I called river and he had bare AAxx. Hand 2 we got it in and he had A5xx with the fd, ran twice and he made a flush on both doh!

[cambridgealex]

A spot came up last night which made me think of this thread - and again made me question why I'm playing PLO at this level

We're 4 handed, round of each, £2/5.

Villian 1 (SB) is chinese, just come over with a £11k roulette ticket and said he won back yesterdays losses etc. Saw him playing a big PLO game last night and darting between that and the wheel...

Villain 2 (BB) is a high stakes reg, plays very big live PLO games, 100/200, 200/400 etc.

I'm UTG playing £2k with  raise to £20.

Villain 1 in SB playing £1.1k 3bets to £55.

Villain 2 in BB playing £2k 4bets to £185.

I call. Think this has to be fine?

SB repot, BB repot allin.

My thoughts were that the BB reg almost certainly had AAxx and the SB most likely had a high rundown, or a KKQJ sort of hand. He hadn't been playing aggro pre before this, so don't think he's just whaling about with anything.

So I felt we'd have pretty close to the right odds to call off here, but wasn't sure.

Thoughts?

[The Camel]

Got to be enough of a chance that the SB has got 89TJ or similar that this is a fold?

He must be savvy enough to realise the BB has very likely got AAxx to not be shoving his money in with kings hasn't he?