My name's Alex and I'd like to learn PLO

[cambridgealex]

I'm learning PLO. I'm playing on stars.es 100PL and live €5/5 here in Barcelona. It's a lot of fun, and the games certainly seem very beatable, and although higher stakes than you guys might advise, I'm keen to learn at a level where the money means something. I find myself in a lot of spots where I don't really know what to do, but I think I get the general idea of the game alright, and can apply a lot of holdem concepts to PLO reasonably well.

I'll post quite a few hands in PHA by means of learning and improving, and hopefully others also at a similar stage can benefit from the replies and we can all learn together.

The first two hands seem to highlight my uncertainly about playing weak KKxx oop. Do we peel this small 3bet? And in hand 2, what's our default from the sb here vs btn 2.5x?

PokerStars Hand #121963583835:  Omaha Pot Limit (€0.50/€1.00 EUR) - 2014/09/23 19:50:40 WET [2014/09/23 14:50:40 ET]
Table 'Walbeck V' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: JuanTime777 (€147.70 in chips)
Seat 2: Alekhinebcn (€100 in chips)
Seat 3: bawuer (€78.33 in chips)
Seat 6: TiltRai$e (€106.50 in chips)
bawuer: posts small blind €0.50
TiltRai$e: posts big blind €1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JuanTime777 [ ]
JuanTime777: raises €2 to €3
Alekhinebcn: raises €5 to €8
bawuer: folds
TiltRai$e: folds
JuanTime777: calls €5
*** FLOP *** [ ]
JuanTime777: checks
Alekhinebcn: bets €9.50
JuanTime777: calls €9.50
*** TURN *** [ ] []
JuanTime777: checks
Alekhinebcn: checks
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
JuanTime777: checks
Alekhinebcn: checks


PokerStars Hand #121969707563:  Omaha Pot Limit (€0.50/€1.00 EUR) - 2014/09/23 21:39:30 WET [2014/09/23 16:39:30 ET]
Table 'Parvulesco IV' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Rafs Dwan (€162.67 in chips)
Seat 2: iPodu (€38.01 in chips)
Seat 3: Huck3be1n (€116.30 in chips)
Seat 4: patinho77 (€107.16 in chips)
Seat 5: JuanTime777 (€130.76 in chips)
Seat 6: zmaksjx (€166.48 in chips)
JuanTime777: posts small blind €0.50
zmaksjx: posts big blind €1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JuanTime777 [ ]
Rafs Dwan: folds
iPodu: folds
Huck3be1n: folds
patinho77: raises €1.50 to €2.50
JuanTime777:

[rfgqqabc]

Was going to say fold utg in the first but your 4 handed. Think i play it the same way.

2nd I'd fold lots I think but it would depend largely on the blinds and the weak spots.

[pleno1]

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i'd fold flop in hand 1 with no future playability.

hand 2 id fold pre.

[tikay]

Hello JuanTime. (Groan...).

I know it is short handed, & I'm wayyyyy to tight, but I fold both pre.

I don't think either hand is playable.

Our best hope for the first (K-K-7-4) is wrapping a 5-6-x flop.

The 2nd hard is even worse, K-K-9-2, nowhere to go with that baby.

Neither hands have any suited equity, either. 

I suppose I am way too tight, but when I play PLO, my first requirement is cards that work well together.

Both those hands are one pair hands, with very little scope or improvers.

When we get to the turn or river, & someone piles the coals on, we are gonna be squirming in our seat.   

I would much rather start with, say, 9-10-J-Q & a suit than K-K-poo-poo.

[GreekStein]

Hand 1 - I think folding flop is best play. Calling is slightly closer if we had the King of spades and if we had something like KK68 I'd definitely be calling the flop bet but we get barrelled off too often and have 1 nutted turn card so fold to flop bet imo.

Hand 2 - I'd call or sometimes 3-bet. I certainly wouldn't ever fold it pre to a button open. Idk what button %'s are standard in 6max NL but in PLO you can profitably open a really high %. I fold like bottom 20% and I'm tight. People do defend more now from the blinds than they used to so that might have changed a bit but I don't think we should ever be folding here. Flatting seems like probably the best play.

@Tikay - play tighter pls.

@Alex - how much time do you want to put into learning PLO? Going to make a skype group if you're interested

[theprawnidentity]

ICM?

[tikay]

Hand 1 - I think folding flop is best play. Calling is slightly closer if we had the King of spades and if we had something like KK68 I'd definitely be calling the flop bet but we get barrelled off too often and have 1 nutted turn card so fold to flop bet imo.

Hand 2 - I'd call or sometimes 3-bet. I certainly wouldn't ever fold it pre to a button open. Idk what button %'s are standard in 6max NL but in PLO you can profitably open a really high %. I fold like bottom 20% and I'm tight. People do defend more now from the blinds than they used to so that might have changed a bit but I don't think we should ever be folding here. Flatting seems like probably the best play.

@Tikay - play tighter pls.

@Alex - how much time do you want to put into learning PLO? Going to make a skype group if you're interested

Lol, do behave.

That's why I'm a penny player & you play for proper money.

[tikay]

I suppose if I somehow found a way to get to the river, I might hero call a bet as the paired 5 mostly improves my hand a shedload, but I'm not sure I could get to the river.

[rfgqqabc]

kk74r vs top 15% which isn't really his 3b range but it'll be close. Think peeling vs non pot 3b is ok.


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[cambridgealex]

Live 5/5

1) I'm utg playing 500 with limp 5, utg 20, utg1 75, folds to me I call, utg calls.

we are first to act. Plan? Pot is 225 we have 430ish. Is pre ok?

2) Lots of limps for €5 I'm in mp with limp, few more limps, sb makes it 25, we go 5 ways.

checks to me I bet 100, sb minraises to 200 with 300 back. He is 60/70. Wwyd?

[pleno1]

id c/f hand 2 multiway and the same with hand 1, hand 2 seems wp pre, hand 1 ive no idea unfortunately :/

[George2Loose]

Kq88 really strong enough given action?

[cambridgealex]

Kq88 really strong enough given action?

When everyone flicks in a fiver then someone makes it 25 and every flicks that in too, you sorta gotta come along for the ride surely?

[George2Loose]

I wouldnt limp with it but am not too savvy with Omaha either

[doubleup]

hand1 open fold

hand2 wwyd? wish I'd remembered that in multiway pots you want to get involved with hands that draw to the nuts or hit the top end of combi-draws.  As played fold, you are just hoping he has the bare ace (if you are in a game where ppl min-raise multiway with the bare ace or the 3rd nut flush, I can assure you you will make piles of money nut peddling, so just play hands that will draw to the nuts)