Ched Evans

[arbboy]

Just another example of it being everyone's fault apart from the parent's themselves why their kids don't turn out right in today's modern day pass the blame culture.  If it's not these 'role models' fault its the bad teachers who teach them at school.  Never the fault of the people where the buck should always stop, ie the parents.

[Kmac84]

Just another example of it being everyone's fault apart from the parent's themselves why their kids don't turn out right in today's modern day pass the blame culture.  If it's not these 'role models' fault its the bad teachers who teach them at school.  Never the fault of the people where the buck should always stop, ie the parents.

Again very much this. 

Bad parents tend to underestimate how much kids learn from them. 

[kinboshi]

I wouldn't employ him. There are no laws to stop him being employed, but I wouldn't employ him to clean the toilets where I work, never mind earn thousands a week to kick a ball around - I'd rather someone else got that money and the opportunity be given to someone else. Role model or not, being a professional footballer is a privileged position. He's abused that privilege. Lots of others have as well, and they're still employed and enjoy the trappings of being a professional footballer. I wouldn't employ them either.

Would you have said the same about Suarez?

Who did suarez rape?

Nobody I know of but he's also a bit of a scumbag with what he has done on the field and Kinboshi's arguement is:

" Role model or not, being a professional footballer is a privileged position. He's abused that privilege. Lots of others have as well, and they're still employed and enjoy the trappings of being a professional footballer. I wouldn't employ them either. "

I don't recall him saying he wouldn't employ your mat Suar.

Get a grip. Comparing someone nibbling on someone's arm to someone who raped a 19 year old woman is ridiculous and insulting.

That's bullshit because kids are more likely to copy the actions of their role models on the field than off it and they can be protected from off-field stuff by parents. 

Was hardly a nibble amd add to the his other behaviours.   But as Arb says its all resultes orientated.

What are you on about?

I said I wouldn't employ a footballer who was a rapist.  You then compared it to what Suarez did on the pitch, and I said that they're not comparable.

Nothing to do with being role-models or anything else - my argument is absolutely NOTHING to do with the role-model argument.  As I said, being employed in any job is a privileged position, especially a highly paid one like being a professional footballer. As a football club it'd be my policy NOT to employ rapists.

(incidentally, for comparatively minor misdemeanours - compared to rape - such as what Suarez did on the pitch, they should be covered by their footballing contract and they should be penalised heavily financially on top of any bans they receive from the football authorities).   

[samurai]

Seriously. Why would anyone choose to employ a convicted rapist? Would anyone arguing his case want to personally use someone like that as a representative of their business? Doubt it.

[DungBeetle]

If Sheff Utd (or whoever) think that the damage to their brand is worth employing him then that's up to them.   I wouldn't want to employ him, but I don't have a problem if someone does after he's served his sentence.  Aren't we all supposed to be about rehabilitation these days?

[horseplayer]

Seriously. Why would anyone choose to employ a convicted rapist? Would anyone arguing his case want to personally use someone like that as a representative of their business? Doubt it.

Clubs have signed convicted murderers before

[DungBeetle]

Luke McCormick (sp?) is captain of Plymouth - I peronally find that more repellant that Evans, but again he's served his sentence so it's up to Plymouth.

[arbboy]

Clubs will only sign guys like this as a substantial discount cost wise.  Ched won't be on anywhere near the cash he was on before as the clubs have all the bargaining power over his salary rather than him.  So they get a 10k a week product for 5k the other cost they pay as a business is to their reputation of employing someone like this on a discount.

[samurai]

I know and don't care that clubs have signed murderers. I'm not saying he shouldn't be allowed to play.  I'm saying that it reflects very poorly on anyone who would employ him and says a lot about them, particularly given his lack of contrition.
Again I ask would anyone employ a convicted rapist to represent them?

Agree about the Plymouth keeper. He does at least seem to be genuinely upset and repause how bad what he did was however.

[DungBeetle]

Arbboy - not sure the wages discount will happen, as he effectively generated a Bosman free transfer for himself when in the clink.  He went for £3 million from Man C to Sheff Utd so any discount to be weighed against club reputation is probably accounted for in the fact that he is now a free agent.

[samurai]

Also if you want to rehabilitate somebody it helps if they accept they were wrong to begin with.

[DungBeetle]

I know and don't care that clubs have signed murderers. I'm not saying he shouldn't be allowed to play.  I'm saying that it reflects very poorly on anyone who would employ him and says a lot about them, particularly given his lack of contrition.
Again I ask would anyone employ a convicted rapist to represent them?

Agree about the Plymouth keeper. He does at least seem to be genuinely upset and repause how bad what he did was however.

The contrition point is an interesting one.

Saying "I did it, but I don't care about the victim" is a lot different from saying "I have been wrongly convicted, so I don't need to show remorse".

He was found guilty, so I presume the jury who had the most access to all the evidence made the correct decision.  But while he is still trying to clear his name it doesn't seem unreasonable for him to take this stance?

[The Camel]

If Sheff Utd (or whoever) think that the damage to their brand is worth employing him then that's up to them.   I wouldn't want to employ him, but I don't have a problem if someone does after he's served his sentence.  Aren't we all supposed to be about rehabilitation these days?

But he's not rehabilitated at all.

He still maintains innocence and his "supporters" are still harrassing and bullying the victim.

He comes out and admits what he did was wrong and then we can think about reintergrating him into society.

[arbboy]

I know and don't care that clubs have signed murderers. I'm not saying he shouldn't be allowed to play.  I'm saying that it reflects very poorly on anyone who would employ him and says a lot about them, particularly given his lack of contrition.
Again I ask would anyone employ a convicted rapist to represent them?

Agree about the Plymouth keeper. He does at least seem to be genuinely upset and repause how bad what he did was however.

The contrition point is an interesting one.

Saying "I did it, but I don't care about the victim" is a lot different from saying "I have been wrongly convicted, so I don't need to show remorse".

He was found guilty, so I presume the jury who had the most access to all the evidence made the correct decision.  But while he is still trying to clear his name it doesn't seem unreasonable for him to take this stance?

Agreed if you don't agree that you were guilty and are fighting it it would be pretty stupid to show remorse for something you haven't done in your mind.  It would stink of saying it for pr reasons to get a new contract which is surely worse?

[Tonibell]

Clubs will only sign guys like this as a substantial discount cost wise.... So they get a 10k a week product for 5k the other cost they pay as a business is to their reputation of employing someone like this on a discount.

Moneyball! There's a huge opportunity here for someone to assemble an entire squad of rapists, drunk-drivers &c and take on the rich teams.