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Doobs
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Re: Paris horror attack
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November 16, 2015, 10:17:21 PM »
Quote from: rfgqqabc on November 16, 2015, 09:43:39 PM
Quote from: Ricardov83 on November 16, 2015, 09:19:13 PM
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Sigh...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34835353
Being devils advocate now but why sigh Tom? If it is proved that IS members are being allowed in to a country as refugees surely the right thing to do is stop it until a robust method of vetting is in place.
Isn't that playing into the hands of IS? Stopping people from escaping the horrors.
I thought they were more concerned about causing harm to the West.
My understanding is that IS wish to establish a Caliphate which is a region governed by Shariah law. That's what they are doing in Syria and Iraq. Al Qaeda's MO included destroying the west. That's one of the main differences between the organisations.
The attacks in Paris were retaliation for air strikes on their caliphate. Not as a result of their hatred for the west.
Happy to have that corrected by someone more knowledgeable.
"Exempted from automatic execution, it appears, are Christians who do not resist their new government. Baghdadi permits them to live, as long as they pay a special tax, known as the jizya, and acknowledge their subjugation. The Koranic authority for this practice is not in dispute."
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http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
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Accepting any man made law above the law of the Koran is worthy of a death sentence so I think your wrong, although the quote above does exempt some people.
I can see that artcile in the atlantic seems popular here, but IS are very much picking the bits of the koran that suit their purposes. And saying IS are very Islamic feels a bit like saying that a murderer who always obeys the speed limit is very law abiding.
Though the koran has more than its fair share of war mongering statements, but every chapter of the koran begins with a statement saying Allah is merciful, and there are numerous references to forgiveness.
I think they are very much driven by taking territory in the Middle East and that is far more important than attacking the West. The muslim/middle eastern body count is far higher than the Westerner body count.
I don't even think the article is that accurate on Christians either, as there are documented examples of mass killings of christians too.
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Re: Paris horror attack
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November 17, 2015, 12:12:11 AM »
Quote from: Doobs on November 16, 2015, 10:17:21 PM
Quote from: rfgqqabc on November 16, 2015, 09:43:39 PM
Quote from: Ricardov83 on November 16, 2015, 09:19:13 PM
Quote from: bobAlike on November 16, 2015, 06:34:45 PM
Quote from: david3103 on November 16, 2015, 06:30:41 PM
Quote from: bobAlike on November 16, 2015, 05:57:48 PM
Quote from: RED-DOG on November 16, 2015, 05:46:28 PM
Sigh...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34835353
Being devils advocate now but why sigh Tom? If it is proved that IS members are being allowed in to a country as refugees surely the right thing to do is stop it until a robust method of vetting is in place.
Isn't that playing into the hands of IS? Stopping people from escaping the horrors.
I thought they were more concerned about causing harm to the West.
My understanding is that IS wish to establish a Caliphate which is a region governed by Shariah law. That's what they are doing in Syria and Iraq. Al Qaeda's MO included destroying the west. That's one of the main differences between the organisations.
The attacks in Paris were retaliation for air strikes on their caliphate. Not as a result of their hatred for the west.
Happy to have that corrected by someone more knowledgeable.
"Exempted from automatic execution, it appears, are Christians who do not resist their new government. Baghdadi permits them to live, as long as they pay a special tax, known as the jizya, and acknowledge their subjugation. The Koranic authority for this practice is not in dispute."
(
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
)
Accepting any man made law above the law of the Koran is worthy of a death sentence so I think your wrong, although the quote above does exempt some people.
I can see that artcile in the atlantic seems popular here, but IS are very much picking the bits of the koran that suit their purposes. And
saying IS are very Islamic feels a bit like saying that a murderer who always obeys the speed limit is very law abiding
.
Though the koran has more than its fair share of war mongering statements, but every chapter of the koran begins with a statement saying Allah is merciful, and there are numerous references to forgiveness.
I think they are very much driven by taking territory in the Middle East and that is far more important than attacking the West. The muslim/middle eastern body count is far higher than the Westerner body count.
I don't even think the article is that accurate on Christians either, as there are documented examples of mass killings of christians too.
Something can be Islamic as an adjective but not as a noun. Something can define itself by Islam and in its nature be very Islamic without defining what Islam is for everyone else.
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Re: Paris horror attack
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Reply #302 on:
November 17, 2015, 01:22:15 AM »
Quote from: AlunB on November 17, 2015, 12:12:11 AM
Quote from: Doobs on November 16, 2015, 10:17:21 PM
Quote from: rfgqqabc on November 16, 2015, 09:43:39 PM
Quote from: Ricardov83 on November 16, 2015, 09:19:13 PM
Quote from: bobAlike on November 16, 2015, 06:34:45 PM
Quote from: david3103 on November 16, 2015, 06:30:41 PM
Quote from: bobAlike on November 16, 2015, 05:57:48 PM
Quote from: RED-DOG on November 16, 2015, 05:46:28 PM
Sigh...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34835353
Being devils advocate now but why sigh Tom? If it is proved that IS members are being allowed in to a country as refugees surely the right thing to do is stop it until a robust method of vetting is in place.
Isn't that playing into the hands of IS? Stopping people from escaping the horrors.
I thought they were more concerned about causing harm to the West.
My understanding is that IS wish to establish a Caliphate which is a region governed by Shariah law. That's what they are doing in Syria and Iraq. Al Qaeda's MO included destroying the west. That's one of the main differences between the organisations.
The attacks in Paris were retaliation for air strikes on their caliphate. Not as a result of their hatred for the west.
Happy to have that corrected by someone more knowledgeable.
"Exempted from automatic execution, it appears, are Christians who do not resist their new government. Baghdadi permits them to live, as long as they pay a special tax, known as the jizya, and acknowledge their subjugation. The Koranic authority for this practice is not in dispute."
(
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
)
Accepting any man made law above the law of the Koran is worthy of a death sentence so I think your wrong, although the quote above does exempt some people.
I can see that artcile in the atlantic seems popular here, but IS are very much picking the bits of the koran that suit their purposes. And
saying IS are very Islamic feels a bit like saying that a murderer who always obeys the speed limit is very law abiding
.
Though the koran has more than its fair share of war mongering statements, but every chapter of the koran begins with a statement saying Allah is merciful, and there are numerous references to forgiveness.
I think they are very much driven by taking territory in the Middle East and that is far more important than attacking the West. The muslim/middle eastern body count is far higher than the Westerner body count.
I don't even think the article is that accurate on Christians either, as there are documented examples of mass killings of christians too.
Something can be Islamic as an adjective but not as a noun. Something can define itself by Islam and in its nature be very Islamic without defining what Islam is for everyone else.
I quite like this idea, pity it didn't catch on.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/isis-call-it-the-un-islamic-state-say-muslim-groups-as-another-hostage-is-murdered-9731823.html
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Re: Paris horror attack
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November 17, 2015, 08:26:32 PM »
Dutch Football @football_oranje 10m10 minutes ago
Reports emerging now that German Police discovered a vehicle disguised as an ambulance filled with explosives near the stadium.
Firstly very well done for discovering that seems like the last place you would think to look.
Secondly what a mess this is.
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November 17, 2015, 08:28:38 PM »
Never been so nervous watching an England match and I couldn't care less about the result.
Absolutely terrifying stuff in Germany.
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November 17, 2015, 08:30:36 PM »
Quote from: DaveShoelace on November 17, 2015, 08:28:38 PM
Never been so nervous watching an England match and I couldn't care less about the result.
Absolutely terrifying stuff in Germany.
Agreed
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November 17, 2015, 09:22:52 PM »
Hannover Chief of Police: "There was a device intended to be detonated inside the stadium."
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November 17, 2015, 09:54:03 PM »
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12002026/Hannover-bomb-plot-Germany-v-Netherlands-called-off-what-we-know-so-far.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1447792513
Football stadium, concert hall, train station.
Tonight could have been very different.
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Reports now saying no explosives found in Hannover, so maybe a false alarm this time?
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November 18, 2015, 11:07:41 AM »
i thought this was beautiful
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Oh my word.
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November 18, 2015, 11:12:25 AM »
police shield from a French officer sent into the Bataclan to restore order
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My son and I went to the game last night. Listening to fans singing le marseillais on the tube on the way there will stay with me for a very long time.
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Terror mastermind cornered in Paris flat by 100 armed police.
Wife blows herself up, another jihadi shot dead and 5 more arrested. Developing
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Quote from: TightEnd on November 18, 2015, 11:12:25 AM
police shield from a French officer sent into the Bataclan to restore order
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Did he get to deliver Jeremy Corbyn's letter?
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