Paris horror attack

[AlunB]

Have to say, I never thought a NATO country would knowingly down a Russian fighter. I guess we don't know this as a fact yet

wat?  I most definitely would hope that the RAF would down a Russian fighter if it entered our airspace and did not immediately leave.

That seems likely to have rather large repercussions don't you think?

[doubleup]

Have to say, I never thought a NATO country would knowingly down a Russian fighter. I guess we don't know this as a fact yet

wat?  I most definitely would hope that the RAF would down a Russian fighter if it entered our airspace and did not immediately leave.

That seems likely to have rather large repercussions don't you think?

I don't understand what the problem is here.  There is no country that doesn't defend its airspace.  If a Russian or other unauthorised warplane entered our airspace and refused to immediately leave (or follow instructions), it would ultimately be shot down.  Why does this surprise you?

[Ironside]

problem is if Russia wants it can walk through Europe and not much NATO can do to stop it

[david3103]

problem is if Russia wants it can walk through Europe and not much NATO can do to stop it

It will take them a mighty long time on foot.

[Ironside]

problem is if Russia wants it can walk through Europe and not much NATO can do to stop it

It will take them a mighty long time on foot.

even on foot wouldnt take them that long

[Oxford_HRV]

Russia got their answer today, we ALL need to treat our neighbours with respect, if we don't we have only the past to look at as the future

[AlunB]

Have to say, I never thought a NATO country would knowingly down a Russian fighter. I guess we don't know this as a fact yet

wat?  I most definitely would hope that the RAF would down a Russian fighter if it entered our airspace and did not immediately leave.

That seems likely to have rather large repercussions don't you think?

I don't understand what the problem is here.  There is no country that doesn't defend its airspace.  If a Russian or other unauthorised warplane entered our airspace and refused to immediately leave (or follow instructions), it would ultimately be shot down.  Why does this surprise you?

Because I'm a rational human being?

You appeared to be suggesting that if a Russian plane strays into UK airspace they will be immediately shot down without a damn care for the consequences.

If what you're actually saying is eventually after all other possible avenues had been closed down and it refused to leave eventually it would be reluctantly shot down then I agree.

[Oxford_HRV]

Have to say, I never thought a NATO country would knowingly down a Russian fighter. I guess we don't know this as a fact yet

wat?  I most definitely would hope that the RAF would down a Russian fighter if it entered our airspace and did not immediately leave.

That seems likely to have rather large repercussions don't you think?

I don't understand what the problem is here.  There is no country that doesn't defend its airspace.  If a Russian or other unauthorised warplane entered our airspace and refused to immediately leave (or follow instructions), it would ultimately be shot down.  Why does this surprise you?

Because I'm a rational human being?

You appeared to be suggesting that if a Russian plane strays into UK airspace they will be immediately shot down without a damn care for the consequences.

If what you're actually saying is eventually after all other possible avenues had been closed down and it refused to leave eventually it would be reluctantly shot down then I agree.

That is what a country's air force are actually saying yes, but in a very short timeframe haha
If foreign fighter jets do not respond in 5 min around your air space and cross it wwyd?

[RED-DOG]

The Russians must have been aware that they risked having their plane shot down so we have to assume that they were comfortable with that outcome.

Turkey have needlessly given away the moral high ground. (IMHO of course)

[doubleup]

Oh man, just saw a Russian fighter has been shot down by the Turkish Air force - that's a pretty scary escalation

True, I am just working out a way that we can blame ourselves for it.   Doesn't have to be logical or fit timelines, I just need it as part of a rant. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement

This will fit the bill nicely

[Doobs]

Oh man, just saw a Russian fighter has been shot down by the Turkish Air force - that's a pretty scary escalation

True, I am just working out a way that we can blame ourselves for it.   Doesn't have to be logical or fit timelines, I just need it as part of a rant. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement

This will fit the bill nicely

Isn't that just flavour of the month in amongst those of us who like to wring our hands?

If we had stuck to the straighter lines favoured by Messrs Sykes and Picot, the Russian jet would never have overflown that little knobble of Turkey, hence today's incident would never have happened.

Luckily if we are going to go off on one in the Guardian, following any kind of logic is unimportant, so Sykes-Picot is officially the reason us wankers are to blame for today's incident.

Thanks for your help