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« Reply #360 on: November 22, 2015, 10:54:54 PM »

I really just don't get it.

I think of Iraq and how it took 2 weeks or so to take over an entire country. How is it that there aren't really any concerted efforts to get rid of ISIS? There is evidently a Western interest in keeping them an active presence, but what is it?

For the shit they do, ISIS seem to retain quite a few powerful friends.

Nah, the west are just scared of getting sucked into a conflict with ground troops where it would be really really hard identifying the enemy beyond the obvious people. It was hard enough in Irag after the uniformed people disappeared, will be an absolute nightmare in this situation.

They will take out the obvious in due course I think, don't know how they will deal with the others that are/will be hidden in normal society.
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« Reply #361 on: November 23, 2015, 10:58:32 AM »

Excellent article that at least partially answers the why not launch a conventional ground war

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-in-a-borderless-world-the-days-when-we-could-fight-foreign-wars-and-be-safe-at-home-may-be-long-a6741146.html
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« Reply #362 on: November 24, 2015, 12:26:07 AM »

This is brilliant from Frankie Boyle

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/23/frankie-boyle-fallout-paris-psychopathic-autopilot?CMP=share_btn_tw
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« Reply #363 on: November 24, 2015, 06:22:43 AM »



Remarkably good.
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« Reply #364 on: November 24, 2015, 10:15:37 AM »

Will have to force myself to read it. I can't think of many comedians I dislike more than him.
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« Reply #365 on: November 24, 2015, 10:19:59 AM »

Read it. It's like a smug off with Frankie narrowly winning on points.

Interesting reading up on the House of Wisdom though. Although it's immediately obvious just from Wiki that he's overstated its achievements and it had rather an ironic end bearing in mind the point he is trying to make...
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« Reply #366 on: November 24, 2015, 10:47:09 AM »

No big fan of Frankie Boyle, but did like this line..

'How could the most stringent surveillance in the world not have picked up Abdelhamid Abaaoud before? I mean, they’d have got him even if they just went through lists of terrorists alphabetically.'
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« Reply #367 on: November 24, 2015, 11:39:02 AM »

I like the line

It’s not apologism to try to understand why something happened


The rest is apologist drivel
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« Reply #368 on: November 24, 2015, 02:02:54 PM »

Oh man, just saw a Russian fighter has been shot down by the Turkish Air force - that's a pretty scary escalation
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« Reply #369 on: November 24, 2015, 02:15:39 PM »

Oh man, just saw a Russian fighter has been shot down by the Turkish Air force - that's a pretty scary escalation

True, I am just working out a way that we can blame ourselves for it.   Doesn't have to be logical or fit timelines, I just need it as part of a rant. 
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« Reply #370 on: November 24, 2015, 02:21:01 PM »

Oh man, just saw a Russian fighter has been shot down by the Turkish Air force - that's a pretty scary escalation

True, I am just working out a way that we can blame ourselves for it.   Doesn't have to be logical or fit timelines, I just need it as part of a rant. 

Haha, definitely our fault - we've been arming our NATO allies for a long time.

Have to say, I never thought a NATO country would knowingly down a Russian fighter. I guess we don't know this as a fact yet
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« Reply #371 on: November 24, 2015, 02:29:38 PM »



"A Russian warplane was shot down on the Turkish-Syrian border, defence officials in Moscow have confirmed, in the country’s first serious loss since it launched an air war in Syria in late September."
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« Reply #372 on: November 24, 2015, 03:26:14 PM »

Unconfirmed: Syrian rebels say they've hit a Russian chopper on a rescue mission - with a US supplied TOW missile
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« Reply #373 on: November 24, 2015, 03:29:38 PM »


Have to say, I never thought a NATO country would knowingly down a Russian fighter. I guess we don't know this as a fact yet

wat?  I most definitely would hope that the RAF would down a Russian fighter if it entered our airspace and did not immediately leave.
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« Reply #374 on: November 24, 2015, 03:46:57 PM »


Have to say, I never thought a NATO country would knowingly down a Russian fighter. I guess we don't know this as a fact yet

wat?  I most definitely would hope that the RAF would down a Russian fighter if it entered our airspace and did not immediately leave.

That's as may be,  but I'm still surprised although I don't know anything about the exact circs obviously
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