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« on: January 29, 2006, 10:19:30 AM »

Claw's post has reminded me of a very hypothetical question I've been thinking about.

WSOP main event, hand 1, you look down in the big blind and see 2 beautiful red aces.

UTG moves all in followed by UTG+1, UTG+2 and eventually the whole table has called and it's you to act.

2 questions

1- call or fold?

2- if you're folding, at what point did you make that decision?

for me, there's no way I'm making the call. I'm considering the fold when the 3rd lot of chips hit the middle and my mind is made up by the 4th lot.

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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2006, 10:37:44 AM »

 scared you're asking for trouble here
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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2006, 10:41:56 AM »

I would probably thin about folding after the third guy goes all-in.
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2006, 10:45:16 AM »

Claw's post has reminded me of a very hypothetical question I've been thinking about.

WSOP main event, hand 1, you look down in the big blind and see 2 beautiful red aces.

UTG moves all in followed by UTG+1, UTG+2 and eventually the whole table has called and it's you to act.

2 questions

1- call or fold?

2- if you're folding, at what point did you make that decision?

for me, there's no way I'm making the call. I'm considering the fold when the 3rd lot of chips hit the middle and my mind is made up by the 4th lot.



This is just a twist on an issue that has been endlessly debated and it is pretty pointless to resurrect it.  You will just end of with 2 camps, one says that you should never give up +ev and the other says that you can give up +ev if you believe that your skills are superior enough to take advantage of situations that will occur later.
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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2006, 11:01:30 AM »

I have heard the debate before, but not all have so, please, don't be so dismissive. Usually the debate questions what you would do if faced with a single all in pre flop when your holding Aces. I would call. This is a different kettle of fish now, I think I would fold.
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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2006, 11:07:23 AM »

Definite call for me, either you want to win or you are just trying to stay in. Me I would want to go for it and if you go out cest la vie.


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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2006, 11:31:37 AM »

Definite call for me, either you want to win or you are just trying to stay in. Me I would want to go for it and if you go out cest la vie.




yes I want to win, that's why I fold. no idea of the exact percentage but the odds of winning this pot with everyone in are too small for me to consider the call.
the real question for me is at what point people make the decision to fold
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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2006, 11:38:51 AM »

Posibly at the second or third all in
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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2006, 11:45:21 AM »

I think a easy fold,

AA i a favourite over 1/2 opponents but a whole bloody table you are now an underdog

Fold and wait for a much better situation
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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2006, 11:48:31 AM »

Its difficult to answer a hypothetical question. if this happened you would have to believe that you were up against AA,KK,KK,QQ,QQ,JJ,JJ,10 10  etc but one of the other mugs would probably be calling with 44 and hit ... PASS.
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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2006, 11:50:13 AM »

Even if there is no other AA, there could be AK AK in there meaning that you couln't hit a set.
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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2006, 11:55:58 AM »

In the following situation, the aces are third favourite. Which hand do you reckon has the best chance of winning?

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Also, which hand has the least chance?
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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2006, 11:58:11 AM »

just been trying a few of these. It's hard to get the AA below 35% and it comes up above 50% with a few combinations
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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2006, 12:00:53 PM »

ok in yours it's in bad shape
if the suited connector that it's tempting to throw in pass you can get it to 60%+
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« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2006, 12:19:23 PM »

if ur only way of making chips is by calling all in coin flips, then u call. If u know how to play the game then u fold everytime.
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