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The Camel
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April 23, 2015, 11:56:37 AM »
A chance to celebrate England and Englishness or thinly disguised racism and xenophobia?
Discuss.
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April 23, 2015, 12:07:20 PM »
I didn't even know it was St George's day until i went to my local for dinner last night. What do people do to celebrate St George's day? Don't think i have ever done anything on this day in my life to celebrate it.
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April 23, 2015, 12:08:58 PM »
I love our country.
Proud to be English , one of the best places in the world to live for so many different reasons.
Why can't we celebrate our diverse culture , our heritage , the respect we have around the world.
Most of all , I love our sense of humour , not all countries get it.
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TightEnd
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Re: St George's Day
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April 23, 2015, 12:14:01 PM »
Quote from: The Camel on April 23, 2015, 11:56:37 AM
A chance to celebrate England and Englishness or thinly disguised racism and xenophobia?
Discuss.
the former, sometimes turned into the latter by some elements
no different than st patricks day, st davids day etc which countries are happy to celebrate, there seems to be a sneering element at people proud to be English
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The Camel
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April 23, 2015, 12:17:43 PM »
Quote from: bookiebasher on April 23, 2015, 12:08:58 PM
I love our country.
Proud to be English , one of the best places in the world to live for so many different reasons.
Why can't we celebrate our diverse culture , our heritage , the respect we have around the world.
Most of all , I love our sense of humour , not all countries get it.
"I love our country." "one of the best places in the world to live for so many different reasons." does not necessarily equal "Proud to be English"
Proud of the slave trade? Proud of colonialism? Proud of our role in the Iraq war?
Etc etc and etc
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April 23, 2015, 12:19:15 PM »
Quote from: TightEnd on April 23, 2015, 12:14:01 PM
Quote from: The Camel on April 23, 2015, 11:56:37 AM
A chance to celebrate England and Englishness or thinly disguised racism and xenophobia?
Discuss.
the former, sometimes turned into the latter by some elements
no different than st patricks day, st davids day etc which countries are happy to celebrate, there seems to be a sneering element at people proud to be English
Because St Patricks Day has always been celebrated and St Georges Day has never been a "thing" until the last couple of years.
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Re: St George's Day
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April 23, 2015, 12:24:12 PM »
Quote from: The Camel on April 23, 2015, 12:17:43 PM
Quote from: bookiebasher on April 23, 2015, 12:08:58 PM
I love our country.
Proud to be English , one of the best places in the world to live for so many different reasons.
Why can't we celebrate our diverse culture , our heritage , the respect we have around the world.
Most of all , I love our sense of humour , not all countries get it.
"I love our country." "one of the best places in the world to live for so many different reasons." does not necessarily equal "Proud to be English"
Proud of the slave trade? Proud of colonialism? Proud of our role in the Iraq war?
Etc etc and etc
We can't all be perfect.
The question is open to different interpretations , I'm happy to take mine.
Cannot think of any other nationality I would rather be.
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Re: St George's Day
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Quote from: bookiebasher on April 23, 2015, 12:08:58 PM
I love our country.
Proud to be English , one of the best places in the world to live for so many different reasons.
Why can't we celebrate our diverse culture , our heritage , the respect we have around the world.
Most of all , I love our sense of humour , not all countries get it.
I'm with you Jimbo
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Re: St George's Day
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April 23, 2015, 12:25:27 PM »
Quote from: The Camel on April 23, 2015, 12:19:15 PM
Quote from: TightEnd on April 23, 2015, 12:14:01 PM
Quote from: The Camel on April 23, 2015, 11:56:37 AM
A chance to celebrate England and Englishness or thinly disguised racism and xenophobia?
Discuss.
the former, sometimes turned into the latter by some elements
no different than st patricks day, st davids day etc which countries are happy to celebrate, there seems to be a sneering element at people proud to be English
Because St Patricks Day has always been celebrated and St Georges Day has never been a "thing" until the last couple of years.
its always been st georges day celebrated by some, just the noisier element (a more negative one) have thrust it into the limelight
thus it now gains more attention
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Re: St George's Day
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April 23, 2015, 12:26:44 PM »
Quote from: Woodsey on April 23, 2015, 12:25:17 PM
Quote from: bookiebasher on April 23, 2015, 12:08:58 PM
I love our country.
Proud to be English , one of the best places in the world to live for so many different reasons.
Why can't we celebrate our diverse culture , our heritage , the respect we have around the world.
Most of all , I love our sense of humour , not all countries get it.
I'm with you Jimbo
I am in big trouble now then
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April 23, 2015, 12:28:28 PM »
If Carling made as big a deal promoting St Georges day as Guinness does St Patrick's day then it would probably be a bigger deal to the vast majority of English people. I just don't think the vast majority of English people feel the need to 'celebrate' the day. I feel pretty much the same as Jim with regards to England.
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April 23, 2015, 12:34:39 PM »
St George is of course Syrian.
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Re: St George's Day
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April 23, 2015, 12:39:12 PM »
Quote from: arbboy on April 23, 2015, 12:28:28 PM
If Carling made as big a deal promoting St Georges day as Guinness does St Patrick's day then it would probably be a bigger deal to the vast majority of English people. I just don't think the vast majority of English people feel the need to 'celebrate' the day. I feel pretty much the same as Jim with regards to England.
Why would a Canadian company want to promote St George's Day?
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April 23, 2015, 12:42:54 PM »
Quote from: celtic on April 23, 2015, 12:39:12 PM
Quote from: arbboy on April 23, 2015, 12:28:28 PM
If Carling made as big a deal promoting St Georges day as Guinness does St Patrick's day then it would probably be a bigger deal to the vast majority of English people. I just don't think the vast majority of English people feel the need to 'celebrate' the day. I feel pretty much the same as Jim with regards to England.
Why would a Canadian company want to promote St George's Day?
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Re: St George's Day
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April 23, 2015, 01:04:56 PM »
Quote from: TightEnd on April 23, 2015, 12:25:27 PM
Quote from: The Camel on April 23, 2015, 12:19:15 PM
Quote from: TightEnd on April 23, 2015, 12:14:01 PM
Quote from: The Camel on April 23, 2015, 11:56:37 AM
A chance to celebrate England and Englishness or thinly disguised racism and xenophobia?
Discuss.
the former, sometimes turned into the latter by some elements
no different than st patricks day, st davids day etc which countries are happy to celebrate, there seems to be a sneering element at people proud to be English
Because St Patricks Day has always been celebrated and St Georges Day has never been a "thing" until the last couple of years.
its always been st georges day celebrated by some, just the noisier element (a more negative one) have thrust it into the limelight
thus it now gains more attention
St Patricks day celebrations might be a few hundred years older than St Georges day ones - but both are relatively ancient, so it definitely can't be dismissed as a modern 'invention' in any way.
As for the problems with the slave trade and colonialism - the former is ubiquitous throughout history and geography, if anything it should provide something to be proud of as the English were amongst the first to lead calls for its abolition. The latter is similarly widespread, albeit limited to the smaller number of larger nations - judging a country by either factor (particularly using modern sensibilities) is akin to judging a nation through it's previous use of iron in the iron age and bronze in the bronze age.
I would have thought pride in the country (or otherwise) has to be more generally judged by the more general concepts that might represent it.
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