Why I am growing to LOATHE internet poker....

[lazaroonie]

PokerStars Game #3805204406: Tournament #18898970, Hold'em No Limit - Level I
(10/20) - 2006/01/30 - 09:47:32 (ET)
Table '18898970 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: DrDre_Snoop (1480 in chips)
Seat 2: Ace_7Dust (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: bullettt (1780 in chips)
Seat 4: Da Toothpick (1620 in chips)
Seat 5: tamalay (1350 in chips)
Seat 6: AceBTrue (1300 in chips)
Seat 7: DonH86 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: lazaroonie (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: the gaylover (1480 in chips)
tamalay: posts small blind 10
AceBTrue: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lazaroonie [ ]
DonH86: folds
lazaroonie: raises 60 to 80
the gaylover: folds
DrDre_Snoop: folds
Ace_7Dust: folds
bullettt: folds
Da Toothpick: folds
tamalay: calls 70
AceBTrue: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
tamalay: checks
lazaroonie: bets 150
tamalay: raises 150 to 300
lazaroonie: raises 1120 to 1420 and is all-in
tamalay: calls 970 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tamalay: shows [ ] (two pair, Tens and Sixes)
lazaroonie: shows [ ] (a pair of Queens)
tamalay collected 2720 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2720 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: DrDre_Snoop folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Ace_7Dust folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: bullettt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Da Toothpick (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: tamalay (small blind) showed [ ] and won (2720) with two pair, Tens
and Sixes
Seat 6: AceBTrue (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: DonH86 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: lazaroonie showed [ ] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 9: the gaylover folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[matt674]

Why? Would that kind of thing not happen in a live tourney.

calling a raise of 70 (less than 5% of your stack) as an underdog then putting the other 95% of it in as favourite?

[WellChief]

Yep, don't really see what you're getting at here..

[Newmanseye]

I know what laz means, The online players can sometimes be too eagre to call all in with any hand, It happens in live game tourneys as well however I would say less frequently, as in a live game there is generally one tourney per night, where as online there is another tourney starting in a minute, there is a lot more players willing to gamble with trash in order to break the monster starting hands.

[matt674]

I know what laz means, The online players can sometimes be too eagre to call all in with any hand, It happens in live game tourneys as well however I would say less frequently, as in a live game there is generally one tourney per night, where as online there is another tourney starting in a minute, there is a lot more players willing to gamble with trash in order to break the monster starting hands.

but he's calling the large all in bet with the top two pairs - and on a raggidy ten high flop you have to think that the top two pairs is good.

I understand what you are getting at as i've played in many a tourney where they will call the all in bet with nothing but top pair alone - but then thats what i want as i know that more often than not i will win more times than i lose.

I think you would find that a lot of good players (both live and online) will also usually take a few more chances calling small raises with marginal hands early on in tourneys as it's relatively cheap compared to the overall stack size. All it takes is one nice flop and there is a good chance that you are looking at a decent payout

[WellChief]

I know what laz means, The online players can sometimes be too eagre to call all in with any hand, It happens in live game tourneys as well however I would say less frequently, as in a live game there is generally one tourney per night, where as online there is another tourney starting in a minute, there is a lot more players willing to gamble with trash in order to break the monster starting hands.

It's pretty clear from the betting that laz has an overpair, no-one folds top two pair here.  As Matt says stacks are deep compared to blinds at the moment so a 4*BB raise is very small and some players will be taking chances with lesser cards than they would to a 4*BB raise later in the tournament.  I'm not saying laz's raise is too small, he's not done anything wrong, its just an unfortunate situation.

[Newmanseye]

Laz got his   busted by a bloke playing a   , Hw as really unlucky as in a decent live game most people would not call the preflop raise with that garbage, I will admit that Laz was unlucky but Online this happens so much more often as people know that another tourney will start soon and it they go bust then no worries.

I will say that I probably would have raised more preflop in order to take the pot there as there is the internet player that like s to play the raggy ace in the hopes of catching anything.

This is just my opinion and probably not shared by everyone, I prefer Live games as there is a better quality of game played. IMHO.

[WellChief]

I disagree with that billy, certainly not at the level that me and you play at live. 

[Newmanseye]

I disagree with that billy, certainly not at the level that me and you play at live. 

Well thats can be argued, as there are games where its a good solid poker night with little gambling, however there are the occassional nutters that come in to the foray who will take any 2 cards.

If for example we had a table with , You , Me, MikkyT, Tank, Andrew, Timaloy, Dave C, Teacake, Scottish Dave and Tony C.  That would be a solid poker fest with  few buyins but some great poker being played as the quality of the players justifies it.

We get the lucky fish and the gamblers that will draw to 1 or 2 outers or will play garbage from any position ( assuming they know about position ) however on the whole there is some good poker played live at Cincins and that why I prefer live to internet, You can steamroll over most of the gamblers and fish and be left with the good players.

[WellChief]

Yeh i agree the above table would make for a good game.  However I do think that internet poker is vastly under-rated by most of the players that play predominantly in a live environment ,especially the old players. For example I made a standard 3 times big blind raise the other week and got told it was an "internet raise", sure maybe I should go 10*BB with my KK.  I'm sure if you ask most pro's they will agree that the internet players that are coming through are top top class and very difficult to play against.

[matt674]

Well thats can be argued, as there are games where its a good solid poker night with little gambling, however there are the occassional nutters that come in to the foray who will take any 2 cards.

If for example we had a table with , You , Me, MikkyT, Tank, Andrew, Timaloy, Dave C, Teacake, Scottish Dave and Tony C.  That would be a solid poker fest with  few buyins but some great poker being played as the quality of the players justifies it.

I'm sorry but given the choice between an easy tournament with a big smattering of fish and a few good players and a tournament with lots of good solid players and only a few fish - i know which i'd be picking........

Its always each to their own - with you playing the game that you feel most comfortable with, be it live or online. I much prefer and enjoy to play live tourneys but its a lot lot easier to make a decent profit playing online especially as there are a lot less overheads to eat into your profit margin.

A good poker player will soon learn to adapt to his/her surroundings - where ever they are playing.

[NoflopsHomer]

If you've got fish, overbet your big pairs, especially AA and KK, you'll still get a couple of callers with rags.

[matt674]

If you've got fish, overbet your big pairs, especially AA and KK, you'll still get a couple of callers with rags.

He did after the flop - was just unfortunate that his opponent paired up both his rags.

That's poker for you...............

[Newmanseye]

I would say that there are some good players coming from the internet background, however that is a small number, possibly only 5 - 8% of all internet players are in the long term profitable.

My point is this, Online you have more people Gambling with raggy hands like   only because they are suited or   because its an ace where as it causes your big hands although ahead to begin with you are going in for a crap shoot.

I have and can play a loose game also, however in the live environment its a different game as Laz may have caught a tell to know he was beat, again online you give up so much because you have no way of gathering physical information/ tells on an opponent.

Like I said before this is only my opinion, Its not for everyone, I can never sustain a winning record online as my game rely's on physical tells too much and i dont get enough time to work through the info at hand, where as in a live game ( when i am not cold decked ) i have a great record in particular in a cash game.

everyone has their opinions on this, I am just sharing mine mate.

[Wardonkey]

I don't understand why people complain because their opponents play badly. Would you rather be up against Phil Ivey?

If you're losing money regularly then it is not because everybody else is stupid.