The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[TightEnd]

Britain could be left with 'no choice' but to pursue no-deal Brexit, Dominic Raab warns

http://uk.businessinsider.com/dominic-raab-britain-would-choose-no-deal-brexit-over-soft-brexit-2018-9?r=US&IR=T

[TightEnd]

 Conservative MP James Duddridge submits letter to 1922 committee calling on Theresa May to resign, claiming he has “not met a single MP who thinks she will lead us into another election”

 Theresa May’s back-bench opponents are lunatics. Who’s going to endorse someone knifing their own PM in the back half an hour before her conference speech?

[TightEnd]

The potential for the British to have a really grim half-decade is underappreciated, says

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/economy/2018/10/i-don-t-think-we-appreciate-how-bad-next-few-years-could-be

[TightEnd]

No deal Brexit risks crashing the economy admits business minister:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/no-deal-brexit-uk-economy-conservative-conference-business-minister-claire-perry-a8564611.html

[TightEnd]

Varadkar insists ‘Good Friday Agreement not up for negotiation’ in Brexit talks. It is not a British agreement but an international treaty, he tells Dail

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/varadkar-insists-good-friday-agreement-not-up-for-negotiation-in-brexit-talks-1.3648709

[StuartHopkin]

Are we able to work out which is the better indicator of how austerity has devastated the poorest in society?

Bit worried where this question will lead, but I honestly don't know the answer.....

Can you explain how austerity has devastated the poorest in society?

All of my posts yesterday/this morning in this thread are about it. Don’t worry about where the questions will lead. It will lead to the Office for National Stats, the BBC website, maybe the FT/The Times/Guardian and worst case The New Statesman.

I have read the posts, but are you just saying they are devastated because they have more debt, without knowing why they have more debt?

A big part of austerity is the government not spending money on essential public services. The problems that the funding previously helped to deal with don’t go anywhere though. So what happens? The articles I linked and the studies they cite seem to suggest the very poorest have been borrowing money to survive. The ONS said the poorest 10% of UK households spent 250% of what they earnt in financial year ending in 2017.

I'm still not there. I'm worried I am too far removed.

Can we have an example family?
What public service do they no longer have access to?
Where do they get it now?

Can you google it? It’s all there, if you can’t, I’ll try and help.

Found a few things but this seemed to make the most sense https://www.independent.co.uk/money/spend-save/low-income-families-outgoings-personal-finances-poverty-a8432991.html

So we're talking mainly benefit cuts and transport costs/lack of options?

If the poorest 10% are spending 250% of their income, what are they expecting to happen and where do they get that level of credit?

I think it’s wrong to think mainly in terms of where the money goes, it’s also the fact that they no longer have anything much coming in that’s creating the problem. The article you linked doesn’t seem as comprehensive as the ONS/Guardian article, the two NYT articles or The New Statesman article that I linked at the start of the discussion. Shall I copy them all in to one post?

What do they think will happen? You probably don’t think far ahead if not being able to eat is a daily problem. Where do they get that level of credit? The ONS study and PwC study say payday lenders and credit cards.

I will find the links don't worry.
I'll be back.
Probably tomorrow though. ;-)

I'm back 

So we are talking more about benefit cuts than anything else?

[arbboy]

Decent speech from Maybot there for me. 

[kukushkin88]

Are we able to work out which is the better indicator of how austerity has devastated the poorest in society?

Bit worried where this question will lead, but I honestly don't know the answer.....

Can you explain how austerity has devastated the poorest in society?

All of my posts yesterday/this morning in this thread are about it. Don’t worry about where the questions will lead. It will lead to the Office for National Stats, the BBC website, maybe the FT/The Times/Guardian and worst case The New Statesman.

I have read the posts, but are you just saying they are devastated because they have more debt, without knowing why they have more debt?

A big part of austerity is the government not spending money on essential public services. The problems that the funding previously helped to deal with don’t go anywhere though. So what happens? The articles I linked and the studies they cite seem to suggest the very poorest have been borrowing money to survive. The ONS said the poorest 10% of UK households spent 250% of what they earnt in financial year ending in 2017.

I'm still not there. I'm worried I am too far removed.

Can we have an example family?
What public service do they no longer have access to?
Where do they get it now?

Can you google it? It’s all there, if you can’t, I’ll try and help.

Found a few things but this seemed to make the most sense https://www.independent.co.uk/money/spend-save/low-income-families-outgoings-personal-finances-poverty-a8432991.html

So we're talking mainly benefit cuts and transport costs/lack of options?

If the poorest 10% are spending 250% of their income, what are they expecting to happen and where do they get that level of credit?

I think it’s wrong to think mainly in terms of where the money goes, it’s also the fact that they no longer have anything much coming in that’s creating the problem. The article you linked doesn’t seem as comprehensive as the ONS/Guardian article, the two NYT articles or The New Statesman article that I linked at the start of the discussion. Shall I copy them all in to one post?

What do they think will happen? You probably don’t think far ahead if not being able to eat is a daily problem. Where do they get that level of credit? The ONS study and PwC study say payday lenders and credit cards.

I will find the links don't worry.
I'll be back.
Probably tomorrow though. ;-)

I'm back 

So we are talking more about benefit cuts than anything else?

In terms of the people in extreme poverty, I’m sure benefit cuts play a huge role. I think all aspects of austerity are up for discussion though.

[tikay]

I struggle with politics of all parties when they persist in speech punch-lines such as;

"Together, building a better Britain".

Oh my Lord. Surely we should be above that sort of waffle by now?

[RED-DOG]

I struggle with politics of all parties when they persist in speech punch-lines such as;

"Together, building a better Britain".

Oh my Lord. Surely we should be above that sort of waffle by now?

Imagine playing a drinking game while listening to politicians and using the word "Clear" as the trigger.

One drink for "let me be clear"
Two drinks for "let me be perfectly clear"
Three drinks for "let me be absolutely clear"

[tikay]

I struggle with politics of all parties when they persist in speech punch-lines such as;

"Together, building a better Britain".

Oh my Lord. Surely we should be above that sort of waffle by now?

Imagine playing a drinking game while listening to politicians and using the word "Clear" as the trigger.

One drink for "let me be clear"
Two drinks for "let me be perfectly clear"
Three drinks for "let me be absolutely clear"

I say this

[kukushkin88]

Some good stuff in here:

https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk

They’ve certainly done their research and comprehensively cite their sources. They’ve been going since 2007, so not (I think) a vehicle for retrospective Tory bashing.

[TightEnd]

Nissan do not like getting publicly involved in politics. This is a big warning.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/oct/04/nissan-becomes-latest-manufacturer-to-warn-against-hard-brexit

[TightEnd]

Worth 7 minutes of your time

International trade expert explains why project fear became project fact and why no deal will be project catastrophe

[TightEnd]

meanwhile, this morning the ECJ received a request for preliminary ruling from a Scottish Court on the reversibility of article 50 (case number: C-621/18). A request to apply the accelerated procedure was also submitted.