The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[TightEnd]

Conservative Remainers are most likely to back the Brexit deal, at 52%. They are, however, outweighed by the much more numerous Conservative Leavers who oppose the deal by 45% to 38%

[TightEnd]

When it comes to what MPs should do, Britons think they should vote down the deal UNLESS this would see the UK leave the EU without any deal, in which case Brits think they should support it by 42% to 32%

[TightEnd]

within the link above, what I find striking is the massive drop in don't knows once you get to people aged 50+. I think this partly explains the higher turnout for older voters - they are more sure in their opinions so stand by them with a vote. Unsure people are less likely to vote

[nirvana]

within the link above, what I find striking is the massive drop in don't knows once you get to people aged 50+. I think this partly explains the higher turnout for older voters - they are more sure in their opinions so stand by them with a vote. Unsure people are less likely to vote

As well, we over 50s have lived under EU oppression for longer and can remember life pre EU when it was a lot better

[Doobs]

within the link above, what I find striking is the massive drop in don't knows once you get to people aged 50+. I think this partly explains the higher turnout for older voters - they are more sure in their opinions so stand by them with a vote. Unsure people are less likely to vote

As well, we over 50s have lived under EU oppression for longer and can remember life pre EU when it was a lot better

No smiley? 

[TightEnd]

within the link above, what I find striking is the massive drop in don't knows once you get to people aged 50+. I think this partly explains the higher turnout for older voters - they are more sure in their opinions so stand by them with a vote. Unsure people are less likely to vote

As well, we over 50s have lived under EU oppression for longer and can remember life pre EU when it was a lot better

i will add one for the avoidance of doubt. 

 

[nirvana]

Haha, I saw a great tweet the other day from a parody account complaining about gender wage parity. Something along the lines of

"Tom Cruise net worth £50m
Su Pollard net worth £2m

And they say the gender pay gap is closing"

It was too good and so many people were diving in to have their 2 cents worth.

Disappointed by your responses tbf:-)

[BigAdz]

Haha, I saw a great tweet the other day from a parody account complaining about gender wage parity. Something along the lines of

"Tom Cruise net worth £50m
Su Pollard net worth £2m

And they say the gender pay gap is closing"

It was too good and so many people were diving in to have their 2 cents worth.

Disappointed by your responses tbf:-)

Surely people don't come here to be serious.......

[TightEnd]

Theresa May abandons bid to stay in EU's Galileo satellite system

About £8bn to do our own from scratch
 
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-blow-theresa-abandons-bid-13670028

[TightEnd]

Despite a binding motion being passed, Theresa May is planning to block MPs from getting a copy of the full and final legal advice to the Cabinet from the Attorney General.

A cabinet source said: “the legal advice is very bad, which is why they don’t want anyone to see it.”

[TightEnd]

Brexit as chess analogies abound in this...

"The next endgame sees Britain crashing towards a no deal, the parliamentary equivalent of a chess player deciding to upend the board and break all the pieces. There is no majority in parliament for this calamitous outcome, but it could happen by horrendous accident if MPs can’t agree on anything else, because no deal is the default position of the withdrawal legislation."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/02/everyone-needs-to-be-prepared-for-speed-chess-brexit-especially-labour

[ripple11]

After today's round of Sunday interviews and analysis.....I'm quite liking this "Norway + "option after May's deal is defeated.

Ticks alot of brexit boxes apart from a biggy.... freedom of movement.

Importantly it looks like a majority of the commons could support, (including DUP and Scot Nats)

However I'm not sure May will/could carry this through, and that would mean a minor change in PM 

Next PM odds: (excluding Jezza )

Boris Johnson
8/1
Sajid Javid
10/1
Dominic Raab
10/1
Michael Gove
10/1
Jacob Rees-Mogg
12/1
David Davis
20/1
Jeremy Hunt
16/1
Andrea Leadsom
25/1
Penny Mordaunt
20/1
Amber Rudd
25/1
Philip Hammond
33/1

[Sheriff Fatman]

After today's round of Sunday interviews and analysis.....I'm quite liking this "Norway + "option after May's deal is defeated.

Ticks alot of brexit boxes apart from a biggy.... freedom of movement.

Importantly it looks like a majority of the commons could support, (including DUP and Scot Nats)

However I'm not sure May will/could carry this through, and that would mean a minor change in PM 

Next PM odds: (excluding Jezza )

Boris Johnson
8/1
Sajid Javid
10/1
Dominic Raab
10/1
Michael Gove
10/1
Jacob Rees-Mogg
12/1
David Davis
20/1
Jeremy Hunt
16/1
Andrea Leadsom
25/1
Penny Mordaunt
20/1
Amber Rudd
25/1
Philip Hammond
33/1

The barrier to this appears to be that the other EFTA members have to agree to it, and nothing I’ve read suggests they are willing to do so.

[Sheriff Fatman]

I'm hopeful that the contempt of Parliament thing actually happens today, after reading this, from Wikipedia:

MPs accused of Contempt of Parliament may be suspended or expelled.[17] They may also be committed to the clock tower of the Palace of Westminster,[17] although this practice has not been used since Charles Bradlaugh was detained in 1880.

Time to bring back some old traditions.

[MintTrav]

Suzanne Evans has gone.

One of UKIP's best assets, sidelined in the internal feuds, has had enough.

Will she rejoin the Conservatives? Performs better than a lot of their top tier.


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Suzanne Evans Politics
22 mins ·

Enough is enough. Having been increasingly alarmed in recent months by the perverse direction in which Gerard Batten is taking UKIP – with no mandate from members – I have reached the end of the road.

I was hoping, yesterday, that sense would prevail; that UKIP’s National Executive Committee would call for a ‘no confidence’ vote in Batten, so the party could be prevented from taking a devastatingly wrong turn. But if even those elected to represent ordinary members won’t protect UKIP from a leader who appears hell bent on destroying it from within, then there is no hope left.

As the NEC’s abject failure of responsibility follows hot on the heels of a similar failure by UKIP’s remaining MEPs to force the issue, I feel I have no option but to join the thousands of other good, decent former UKIP members in walking out of the door in disgust at the radical change in UKIP’s direction.

The NEC and UKIP MEPs might be willing to turn a blind eye to the obvious attempts by Gerard and Tommy Robinson to orchestrate a ‘Momentum-style’ takeover of UKIP, but I am not. Having planned to simply let my membership lapse in March, when it is due for renewal, I have today cancelled it instead.

I joined UKIP because it was a Brexit party, and because I wanted a referendum on our EU membership. I would never have joined UKIP as it stands today, obsessed as it is with becoming a successor to the BNP and the EDL, and putting an increasingly hostile and vicious focus on attacking the Muslim community en masse.

I am very proud of my work with UKIP in the past, and all I have previously helped the party achieve. I have no regrets on that front whatsoever. However, the time has most definitely come to completely sever my connection to UKIP because, quite simply, it is no longer the party I joined, and it is not now one I want any part of.

I will continue to campaign in whatever capacity I can for the UK to make a clean break from the EU.

[Note: If you are interested, I will be explaining my decision in more detail to Iain Dale on LBC radio at 7.15pm this evening.]