The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[TightEnd]

And on the front page of one the rags today it shrilled disbelif that a Vegan is shadown secretary for farming.

Pretty sure she won't be banning anyone from eating meat if she took the office in government.

Such bollocks.

what would you think if you were a farmer? perhaps needing supportive government policies, or support with the Cap/eu when it comes to beef/pig/lamb prices? the vegan going to support your cause?

slightly different maybe

My missus is a dairy and beef farmer and she is a vegetarian.

and she believes beef and sheep farming is unsustainable? because that's what your new shadow defra spokesman thinks

[MintTrav]

@Kevin_Maguire 2h2 hours ago

Corbyn's decent, common sense, simply explained politics is a threat to rivals. One of reasons enemies attack him ferociously

lol no its not, its what the leftie journos of which the horrendous maguire is one, want to think

i know you will disagree with this, which is fine, but not singing the national anthem etc just gives the press ammo to go at him and they will do for the next 3 years

the silence of the PLP when corbyn went in to speak to them for the first time yesterday spoke volumes

Why would an atheist republican sing the National Anthem?

I haven't sung it at any stage of my adult life.

A complete non story.

not if you believe republicans shouldn't be prime ministers and you are a supporter of the monarchy and the realm, as i would think the vast majority of the English electorate would be.

atheism and christianity and other religions i am less bothered about

and personally, wearing non matching jacket and trousers to the solemn event jarred too. laugh please, because i know you'll think i'm ridiculous, but i am sure many people will think the same way

Why do you believe republicans shouldn't be Prime Minister? This is a genuine question, not a challenge.

I can't get my head around why you would believe that someone who wants to change the prevailing structure of a country's government should be barred from leading that government while it remains in the form they oppose. That would disbar a huge proportion of politicians around the world.

[TightEnd]

if you are a unionist and a monarchist why would you want to vote in a party led by a republican who might want to change the prevailing government structure?

my view is a common sense one given my principles.

[tikay]

And on the front page of one the rags today it shrilled disbelif that a Vegan is shadown secretary for farming.

Pretty sure she won't be banning anyone from eating meat if she took the office in government.

Such bollocks.

Of course it is, but it's also about how he'll be perceived by the electorate.

On the jacket thing - look, in the end he can wear what he likes, but would he dress like that to Auschwitz?

That's a very extreme example, of course it is, but it's about perception again. The event was solemn and he should dress appropriately.

If you don't learn to 'play the game' you end up on the sidelines forever.

Before your time, but Michael Foot turned up at the Cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday one year wearing a duffle coat. Admirable principles or not, he got totally demolished by the vast majority. It just seemed disrespectful from a man in his position.

[redsimon]

And on the front page of one the rags today it shrilled disbelif that a Vegan is shadown secretary for farming.

Pretty sure she won't be banning anyone from eating meat if she took the office in government.

Such bollocks.

Of course it is, but it's also about how he'll be perceived by the electorate.

On the jacket thing - look, in the end he can wear what he likes, but would he dress like that to Auschwitz?

That's a very extreme example, of course it is, but it's about perception again. The event was solemn and he should dress appropriately.

If you don't learn to 'play the game' you end up on the sidelines forever.

Before your time, but Michael Foot turned up at the Cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday one year wearing a duffle coat. Admirable principles or not, he got totally demolished by the vast majority. It just seemed disrespectful from a man in his position.

I presume you meant Donkey jacket?

Totally untrue anyway.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/7361078/Michael-Foot-and-the-donkey-jacket-that-wasnt.html

[TightEnd]

service of remembrance. black suit, and tie is the proper respectful dress code isn't it....?

not exactly totally untrue Simon......

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[tikay]

service of remembrance. black suit, and tie is the proper respectful dress code isn't it....?

not exactly totally untrue Simon......

Fine for us to wear, and ex-serviceman, but not for a Party leader was the gist of why he got criticised so.

[MintTrav]

service of remembrance. black suit, and tie is the proper respectful dress code isn't it....?

not exactly totally untrue Simon......

The sight of Keith Joseph and Leon Brittan standing directly behind him in their nice suits should be enough to dispel the idea that following a clothing convention is what matters. Their clothing is 'appropriate' and 'respectful', according to your convention, but which out of Brittan, Joseph and Foot would you prefer to have anything to do with your government, your family or anything else?

It's a pity some people haven't moved on in the thirty years since. People like Corbyn, who don't slavishly follow irrelevant and outdated dress-codes, are to be admired for that in my view.

[neeko]

service of remembrance. black suit, and tie is the proper respectful dress code isn't it....?

not exactly totally untrue Simon......

The sight of Keith Joseph and Leon Brittan standing directly behind him in their nice suits should be enough to dispel the idea that following a clothing convention is what matters. Their clothing is 'appropriate' and 'respectful', according to your convention, but which out of Brittan, Joseph and Foot would you prefer to have anything to do with your government, your family or anything else?

It's a pity some people haven't moved on in the thirty years since. People like Corbyn, who don't slavishly follow irrelevant and outdated dress-codes, are to be admired for that in my view.

I agree with all of the above BUT the older generation really don't like it, so will take it into account when they vote, and old people vote (a lot) whereas young people who (generally) don't care about dress codes just don't vote.

I need to find the probabilities of increased voter participation in Spain / Greece for these unconventional parties. Unless they bring a lot of new voters then labour is screwed and why the labour MPs looked worried at JCs election win (they will lose their jobs at the next election)

[arbboy]

Do shadow cabinet members like Tristan Hunt who have stepped down from their role to the back benches have to take pay cuts?  Is a shadow cabinet member just on a standard MP salary?

[TightEnd]

Do shadow cabinet members like Tristan Hunt who have stepped down from their role to the back benches have to take pay cuts?  Is a shadow cabinet member just on a standard MP salary?

either 20 or 25% more than an MP's base salary

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2.1 Salary

Salary (both base salary1 and additional salary) is paid to Shadow Ministers by the Chamber Departments. Additional salary for a Shadow Minister is calculated in accordance with the rates in the table below, determined by the Remuneration Tribunal and effective on and from 1 July 2014.2

The additional salary is calculated by applying the stipulated percentage to the base salary, rounding up to the nearest ten dollars. The annual benefits are paid in proportion (pro rata) to the relevant Shadow Minister’s period of service during that year.3

A Shadow Minister who is also an Opposition Office Holder is not entitled to any additional salary beyond that which he or she is entitled to as an Opposition Office Holder.

The Remuneration Tribunal has determined that the following rules apply in calculating the number of Shadow Ministers entitled to receive additional salary and at what rate:

    the maximum number of Shadow Ministers entitled to additional salary at the rate of 25% is equal to the number of Ministers of Cabinet rank minus the number of Opposition office holders entitled to additional parliamentary office holder salary of more than 25% of base salary;
    the maximum number of Shadow Ministers entitled to additional salary at the rate of 20% of base salary is equal to the number of Ministers specified in section 4(b) of the Ministers of State Act 1952 (currently 30) minus the number of Shadow Ministers entitled to additional salary of 25% of base salary and minus the number of Opposition Office Holders entitled to additional salary of more than 25%.

The Leader of the Opposition is to provide advice in writing to the paying authority in each House of Parliament as to which individual Shadow Ministers are to be paid in accordance with the above rules.

Any queries relating to salary should be referred to the relevant Chamber Department. Contact details are available to a Shadow Minister and his or her employees from the Ministerial and Parliamentary Services Help Desks or on the Senators and Members’ Portal on the Extended Parliamentary Network."

[arbboy]

cheers.  So they took a circa £15-20k pay cut to stand up for their beliefs not just an issue of their title in the house. 

[samurai]

Following a dress code is neither irrelevant or outdated. Its a mark of respect to the people being honoured/remembered and their families. Not bothering to make the effort is not only ignorant but stupid for a politician to do.

[redsimon]

If you think that's a donkey jacket you need to get out a bit more