The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[TightEnd]

"As a trade negotiator, I’m shocked at Brexiters’ ignorance"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/08/trade-negotiator-shocked-at-brexiters-ignorance?CMP=share_btn_tw

[The Camel]

Tristram Hunt is resigning his seat to become director of the V&A museum.

Another byelection, in the heart of Brexit country. Just what Corbyn needs.

[TightEnd]

Stoke Central in 2015

a small constituency, very winnable for three parties

Click to see full-size image.

on a general level, its has been hitherto very rare for MPs to resign for the outside world mid parliament. Copeland and Stoke Central now, shows how unhappy sections of the PLP are, presumably thinking they are out of office til 2025 at the earliest

[TightEnd]

meanwhile there was a remarkable council vote last night in Sunderland, which was 60% leave last year

LD won Sunderland Sandhills on a 35% swing from Lab

this is a very interesting blog from a LD man in Sunderland on what happened in the campaign

http://jonathanwallace.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/labour-hits-panic-button-in-sunderland.html

[TightEnd]

Stoke Central in 2015

a small constituency, very winnable for three parties

Click to see full-size image.

on a general level, its has been hitherto very rare for MPs to resign for the outside world mid parliament. Copeland and Stoke Central now, shows how unhappy sections of the PLP are, presumably thinking they are out of office til 2025 at the earliest

this was the smallest number of votes to win any 2015 seat

high levels of apathy, less than 50% turnout

speculation already that Nuttall may stand as its so winnable

[TightEnd]

How Stoke-on-Trent voted in EU referendum

Remain: 36,027
Leave: 81,563


ooof.

[Longines]

speculation already that Nuttall may stand as its so winnable

If he stands he'll be a shoe-in IMO.

[RickBFA]

Most people who vote labour probably only have their job because of the excessive spending on rich people in the firms they work for.  Can't imagine the labour voting croupiers in Palm Beach or Ferrari garage workers being too impressed being thrown on the dole because of a maximum wage killing their businesses.  It is so stupid you can't even believe JC is for real whether you vote red, blue, yellow, UKIP or monster raving.

Let's say somehow it was introduced.  What would the max wage be?  £500k?  £1m?  Lower?  The JAM's in society struggle to live on £80k a year they would have you believe.

And if there is a maximum wage then the cost of ferraris becomes cheaper.  

No they wouldn't it is a global market.  Ferraris are not cheaper in the most potless African country just because they earn fuck all.  They just do without them.  Give me a laugh poker broker and tell me what you would set the max wage at.  It would mean Celtic and Rangers could easily win the EPL title if they ever moved south though.

£150k p/a seems fine to me. 

I like the swiss model, i think it is where the chief exec can't earn more than 100 x more than the guy at the bottom. 

Do you really think that a max wage should be £150k per annum?

If you did the country would be screwed. Entrepreneurs along with the jobs they create would be gone in a shot.

People have to have an incentive to take risks. Capping income at £150k is laughable.

[Longines]

£150k p/a seems fine to me. 

I like the swiss model, i think it is where the chief exec can't earn more than 100 x more than the guy at the bottom. 

I thought the Swiss voted against it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_executive_pay_referendum,_2013
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/24/switzerland-votes-against-cap-executive-pay

Roche CEO is on $12.5m, pretty sure their cleaners aren't on $125k.

[DaveShoelace]

£150k p/a seems fine to me.  

I like the swiss model, i think it is where the chief exec can't earn more than 100 x more than the guy at the bottom.  

I thought the Swiss voted against it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_executive_pay_referendum,_2013
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/24/switzerland-votes-against-cap-executive-pay

Roche CEO is on $12.5m, pretty sure their cleaners aren't on $125k.

I think the only place that has ever really tried it is the paradise of Cuba, where the maximum wage is $20 a month.

[EvilPie]

Most people who vote labour probably only have their job because of the excessive spending on rich people in the firms they work for.  Can't imagine the labour voting croupiers in Palm Beach or Ferrari garage workers being too impressed being thrown on the dole because of a maximum wage killing their businesses.  It is so stupid you can't even believe JC is for real whether you vote red, blue, yellow, UKIP or monster raving.

Let's say somehow it was introduced.  What would the max wage be?  £500k?  £1m?  Lower?  The JAM's in society struggle to live on £80k a year they would have you believe.

And if there is a maximum wage then the cost of ferraris becomes cheaper.  

No they wouldn't it is a global market.  Ferraris are not cheaper in the most potless African country just because they earn fuck all.  They just do without them.  Give me a laugh poker broker and tell me what you would set the max wage at.  It would mean Celtic and Rangers could easily win the EPL title if they ever moved south though.

£150k p/a seems fine to me. 

I like the swiss model, i think it is where the chief exec can't earn more than 100 x more than the guy at the bottom. 

Do you really think that a max wage should be £150k per annum?

If you did the country would be screwed. Entrepreneurs along with the jobs they create would be gone in a shot.

People have to have an incentive to take risks. Capping income at £150k is laughable.

Seems like a great idea.

Cap the maximum wage at a level that the most anybody can borrow is less than half the value of a flat in London.

It's a typical bitter attitude towards other peoples success. Rather than wanting the lower earners to earn more they prefer to bring successful people down to their level. That's the way, rather than trying to make everybody prosper let's all be poor  

Actually f**k it. Let's all live in breeze block flats with our gas and electric paid for by the state.

[Woodsey]

Most people who vote labour probably only have their job because of the excessive spending on rich people in the firms they work for.  Can't imagine the labour voting croupiers in Palm Beach or Ferrari garage workers being too impressed being thrown on the dole because of a maximum wage killing their businesses.  It is so stupid you can't even believe JC is for real whether you vote red, blue, yellow, UKIP or monster raving.

Let's say somehow it was introduced.  What would the max wage be?  £500k?  £1m?  Lower?  The JAM's in society struggle to live on £80k a year they would have you believe.

And if there is a maximum wage then the cost of ferraris becomes cheaper.  

No they wouldn't it is a global market.  Ferraris are not cheaper in the most potless African country just because they earn fuck all.  They just do without them.  Give me a laugh poker broker and tell me what you would set the max wage at.  It would mean Celtic and Rangers could easily win the EPL title if they ever moved south though.

£150k p/a seems fine to me. 

I like the swiss model, i think it is where the chief exec can't earn more than 100 x more than the guy at the bottom. 

Do you really think that a max wage should be £150k per annum?

If you did the country would be screwed. Entrepreneurs along with the jobs they create would be gone in a shot.

People have to have an incentive to take risks. Capping income at £150k is laughable.

Seems like a great idea.

Cap the maximum wage at a level that the most anybody can borrow is less than half the value of a flat in London.

It's a typical bitter attitude towards other peoples success. Rather than wanting the lower earners to earn more they prefer to bring successful people down to their level. That's the way, rather than trying to make everybody prosper let's all be poor  

Actually f**k it. Let's all live in breeze block flats with our gas and electric paid for by the state.

Sounds good, where do I sign up? 

[nirvana]

Most people who vote labour probably only have their job because of the excessive spending on rich people in the firms they work for.  Can't imagine the labour voting croupiers in Palm Beach or Ferrari garage workers being too impressed being thrown on the dole because of a maximum wage killing their businesses.  It is so stupid you can't even believe JC is for real whether you vote red, blue, yellow, UKIP or monster raving.

Let's say somehow it was introduced.  What would the max wage be?  £500k?  £1m?  Lower?  The JAM's in society struggle to live on £80k a year they would have you believe.

And if there is a maximum wage then the cost of ferraris becomes cheaper.  

No they wouldn't it is a global market.  Ferraris are not cheaper in the most potless African country just because they earn fuck all.  They just do without them.  Give me a laugh poker broker and tell me what you would set the max wage at.  It would mean Celtic and Rangers could easily win the EPL title if they ever moved south though.

£150k p/a seems fine to me. 

I like the swiss model, i think it is where the chief exec can't earn more than 100 x more than the guy at the bottom. 

Do you really think that a max wage should be £150k per annum?

If you did the country would be screwed. Entrepreneurs along with the jobs they create would be gone in a shot.

People have to have an incentive to take risks. Capping income at £150k is laughable.

Seems like a great idea.

Cap the maximum wage at a level that the most anybody can borrow is less than half the value of a flat in London.

It's a typical bitter attitude towards other peoples success. Rather than wanting the lower earners to earn more they prefer to bring successful people down to their level. That's the way, rather than trying to make everybody prosper let's all be poor  

Actually f**k it. Let's all live in breeze block flats with our gas and electric paid for by the state.

Sounds good, where do I sign up? 

Most areas of Scotland obv

[RickBFA]

Most people who vote labour probably only have their job because of the excessive spending on rich people in the firms they work for.  Can't imagine the labour voting croupiers in Palm Beach or Ferrari garage workers being too impressed being thrown on the dole because of a maximum wage killing their businesses.  It is so stupid you can't even believe JC is for real whether you vote red, blue, yellow, UKIP or monster raving.

Let's say somehow it was introduced.  What would the max wage be?  £500k?  £1m?  Lower?  The JAM's in society struggle to live on £80k a year they would have you believe.

And if there is a maximum wage then the cost of ferraris becomes cheaper.  

No they wouldn't it is a global market.  Ferraris are not cheaper in the most potless African country just because they earn fuck all.  They just do without them.  Give me a laugh poker broker and tell me what you would set the max wage at.  It would mean Celtic and Rangers could easily win the EPL title if they ever moved south though.

£150k p/a seems fine to me. 

I like the swiss model, i think it is where the chief exec can't earn more than 100 x more than the guy at the bottom. 

Do you really think that a max wage should be £150k per annum?

If you did the country would be screwed. Entrepreneurs along with the jobs they create would be gone in a shot.

People have to have an incentive to take risks. Capping income at £150k is laughable.

Seems like a great idea.

Cap the maximum wage at a level that the most anybody can borrow is less than half the value of a flat in London.

It's a typical bitter attitude towards other peoples success. Rather than wanting the lower earners to earn more they prefer to bring successful people down to their level. That's the way, rather than trying to make everybody prosper let's all be poor  

Actually f**k it. Let's all live in breeze block flats with our gas and electric paid for by the state.

Sounds good, where do I sign up? 

Most areas of Scotland obv

 

[TightEnd]

This is good on a tough week for the "relaunched" Team Corbyn:

the article implies there's a lack of strategic thought, communications planning & professional politics in leadership team

http://www.totalpolitics.com/articles/opinion/ayesha-hazarika-corbyns-car-crash-relaunch-becoming-pile