The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[RickBFA]

Corbyn supporters bang out of order for abusing Emma Barnett online.

Attacking her Jewish background etc.

Nutters.

[titaniumbean]

Corbyn supporters bang out of order for abusing Emma Barnett online.

Attacking her Jewish background etc.

Nutters.

sorry couldn't help myself 

[Woodsey]

Corbyn supporters bang out of order for abusing Emma Barnett online.

Attacking her Jewish background etc.

Nutters.

Those pricks are the left equiv of ukip, bunch of fucking chavs....

[dakky]

I think dwelling on the deal, no deal thing is kinda pointless. There will be a deal...you heard it here first

It's understandable that May says things like this, just as Eurozone leaders will say silly things as a preamble to negotiations - they are all playing a tune they think sits well with their electorate, and rightly so.

Some things about negotiations are truisms even if some seem to counter one another and some defy common sense.

You have to be prepared to walk away in the face of a bad deal but you have to be prepared to compromise to get any kind of deal.

You have to talk tough and play hard but you have more chance of reaching a good deal if you get on with the counterparties.

If you're giving something away (compromising) you are losing in the negotiation but you need to compromise some things to get an agreement.

The weakest party will compromise the most and the strongest party will say 'win-win' and take advantage of the weaker party.

Whether people prefer to think we are weak Britain or strong Britain probably correlates fairly directly with the way we voted in the referendum as that was the battle line that was drawn. It's no surprise that politicians (all over Europe) continue to posture, and that the way commentators (including all of us) view things - the sky is going to fall in or things will ultimately get resolved fairly well for all - depends on how we voted.

I'm pleased that a majority thought we were strong Britain. In terms of growth, job creation, attractiveness for inward investment etc we are strong compared to most of Europe. The extra wealth here means we are an attractive export market. It just has to be true that the bulk of the Eurozone will be quite determined to ensure ongoing tariff free access to our market whilst understanding their strengths as a market for us and our desire for tariff free access too - certainly business will, and the only way this can go pear shaped is if the French and Germans get a bit childish about it and demand too much for that access. I'll literally eat a hat if there isn't a deal with us making ongoing contributions at some level for a free trade deal.

Would you prefer to give a bloody difficult woman a deal on whatever you are selling, or an affable, genuine guy that makes you laugh?

[TightEnd]

this is amazing

759!

alternative post title "wow,we might be absolutely f****ed"

" On Brexit day, Britain will immediately be excluded from hundreds of treaties and agreements signed by the EU.

Many of the 759 arrangements listed below — from customs procedures and agricultural quotas, to the landing rights of planes — must be replaced, renegotiated or remade by Brexit Britain.

The negotiation will span 168 countries and is one of the biggest administrative challenges confronting Whitehall as Britain exits the EU. This list covers what Britain needs to stand still as it resets its relations with the world."

https://ig.ft.com/brexit-treaty-database/

This is exactly why we needed to leave the EU. Too much bureaucratic piffle that costs a fortune to maintain and is in place to make it harder to leave.

think you've misunderstood.these are deals the EU has with the rest of the world,and hence so do we. US has the same with ROW, so does every country. not exactly bureaucratic piffle, you can't trade without them

now each need negotiating from scratch,within 2 years, by us. we will then have to maintain the deals

leaving doesn't mean we don't need trade deals!

[TightEnd]

Why are the polls showing different gains for Labour? In a word: turnout

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/whats-really-happening-with-labour-in-the-polls

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[TightEnd]

Theresa May's 'no deal is better than a bad deal' Brexit logic could end up destroying the British economy says

Theresa May's 'no deal is better than a bad deal' Brexit logic could end up destroying the British economy

[TightEnd]

Avg of post-Manchester polls

Con 44.2 <-wd b highest since 1970
Lab 35.7 <-wd be highest since 2001
LD 7.8
Ukip 4.5

Con lead 8.5

[TightEnd]

don't suppose this is a great surprise

British Jewish general election voting intention:

CON: 77%
LAB: 13%
LDEM: 7%

(via Survation last week)

[TightEnd]

No more Team Theresa. Campaign rebrand as Theresa May and the Conservatives.

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[TightEnd]

"Labour's approach to answering qus on spending in this election reminds me of me panicking over quadratic equations in year 9 maths."

"Tory approach reminds me of my approach to maths post GCSE: just don't do it."

[TightEnd]

Far from being ready to walk away, British state isn't even ready for new burdens of government's preferred deal

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/05/no-theresa-may-no-deal-whole-lot-worse-bad-deal

[TightEnd]

George Osborne has not minced his words here, has he?

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[TightEnd]

Theresa May’s firewall – the oldies who appear to staying loyal

http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/05/30/theresa-mays-firewall-the-oldies-who-appear-to-staying-loyal/

[TightEnd]

Westminster voting intention

CON: 45% (-1)
LAB: 33% (+1)
LD: 8% (-)
UKIP: 5% (-)
GRN: 3% (+1)

(via ICMResearch / 26-29 May) Chgs w/ 26May