The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[Doobs]

Not sure why people think this is a springboard for UKIP etc.

Many people have got what they think they want by being able to stem the flow of immigration.

Vast majority of those people are not racists, regardless of what the other half think.

UKIP don't think they are racists

Farage thinks its a springboard, he's going to try and sow up the working class vote. If Labour changes leader and accepts restrictions on free movement of workers (corbyn doesn't) then Farage will fail

Just because people think they aren't racists doesn't mean they aren't.

So many kids at my daughter's school facing an uncertain future.

Anyway.  Good luck me getting a job anytime soon.  I suppose at least they will be plenty around sorting out all that crap in a couple of years.  Sure they'll be plenty of jobs cleaning the shit off that bunch of ungrateful old gits.

[nirvana]

NB. Love all the remain posters on social media yesterday when the result looked to be going their way, saying let's put it all behind us, let's all be friends again etc. Different kettle of fish today now the result gone against them, with lots of name calling and idiots win out stuff.

Been thinking the same - Chukka Uppa was on earlier moaning about 48% didn't vote for this. Sure would have been banging on if it had been 52:48 the other way.

Pretty sure Brexiters would have just sucked it up, sighed and moved on - mind you it was only really a pressure group until our Government turned it into a viable alternative

[rfgqqabc]

My anti-EU friend told me a few days ago he expected Farage to ride off into the night after his job was done. Who on earth will Labour choose as a new leader? I didn't recognize a tremendous amount of names in the betting market. Will the new members accept the speedy removal.

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-labour-leader

Tempted to wait until Boris has shortened after his speech before laying. It seems like the BF markets might not be as acccurate as we thought when it comes to politics. I'd be curious to see previous elections and the accuracy there.

[DungBeetle]

Not sure why people think this is a springboard for UKIP etc.

Many people have got what they think they want by being able to stem the flow of immigration.

Vast majority of those people are not racists, regardless of what the other half think.

UKIP don't think they are racists

Farage thinks its a springboard, he's going to try and sow up the working class vote. If Labour changes leader and accepts restrictions on free movement of workers (corbyn doesn't) then Farage will fail

Just because people think they aren't racists doesn't mean they aren't.

So many kids at my daughter's school facing an uncertain future.

Anyway.  Good luck me getting a job anytime soon.  I suppose at least they will be plenty around sorting out all that crap in a couple of years.  Sure they'll be plenty of jobs cleaning the shit off that bunch of ungrateful old gits.

Guess I'll give up trying to encourage civility and just let everyone have a good seeth.

[PokerBroker]

Thanks old racist people. really grateful for this.


I detest Cameron very very much, yet i'd rather have him than Boris..... says so much about the state of our political system.



Trump and Boris for 2016. Isn't the world wonderful.

I voted remain but this is pretty childish.  The time has come to stop smearing half the population with racism.  

Definitely this, I know of literally hundreds of people personally who are committed anti-racist campaigners many of them took on the right politically and physically.  In turn they tell me the people they are in contact were voting out.  This wasn't just Scottish based people I was in regular contact with folk from Scotland, England, Ireland and Wales mostly these people were in working class areas.  

It's the liberal left that are the problem for the Socialist case.  People with money feeling pity for poor people, make much noise about change but don't actually do anything.  

[BigAdz]

Not sure why people think this is a springboard for UKIP etc.

Many people have got what they think they want by being able to stem the flow of immigration.

Vast majority of those people are not racists, regardless of what the other half think.

UKIP don't think they are racists

Farage thinks its a springboard, he's going to try and sow up the working class vote. If Labour changes leader and accepts restrictions on free movement of workers (corbyn doesn't) then Farage will fail

Just because people think they aren't racists doesn't mean they aren't.

So many kids at my daughter's school facing an uncertain future.

Anyway.  Good luck me getting a job anytime soon.  I suppose at least they will be plenty around sorting out all that crap in a couple of years.  Sure they'll be plenty of jobs cleaning the shit off that bunch of ungrateful old gits.

Childish. Expected better.

[TightEnd]

(not a ukip voter)

but UKIP got 4m votes at the 2015 GE. A big slug of those were from labour voters.

that subset is motivated by immigration concern over anything else surely, and were the big swing factor last night?

i am not saying they are racist but the economic consequences of immigration to them/wage levels/community changes etc are far bigger than the issue being "the liberal left is the problem for the socialist case" surely?

people aren't hankering for old style socialism, i sense

[TightEnd]

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BREAKING US bank JPMorgan says UK jobs could move abroad

[TightEnd]

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Odds are against it, but it wouldn't surprise me if we get Corbyn resignation today too. Many Lab MPs would rejoice. All depends on Watson

[RickBFA]

FTSE down 243 points now at 6094. Market was lower than this a few days ago.

[nirvana]

How accurate are these age graphs? Are they from the actual votes? I don't recall there being anything on the ballot to identify me.

Can't help but feel myself that old people shouldn't have got the vote on this one - or at the very least more weight given to the younger vote.

Lol we hate the small minded fascists, let's be more fascist than dem bro

[TightEnd]

this is like house of cards on steroids

its guido, so pinch of salt

"Here is the situation with Labour as of 9:30am. Corbyn is “definitely” facing a live plot to remove him as leader – the Shadow Cabinet meets at 10am where it is possible Shadow ministers will tell him to resign or threaten to resign themselves. Labour MPs are putting heavy pressure on Shadow ministers to man up and tell him to go immediately. Shadow Cabinet members are spreading rumours that Corbyn and McDonnell personally voted to Leave…

There are rumours of a letter of no confidence in circulation, though it has yet to reach some moderates Guido has spoken to. That could take a few days to come to fruition. Angela Eagle, a possible successor, has dodged questions about whether Corbyn should resign. John McDonnell is named as either being “behind” moves against Corbyn or as a potential successor. McDonnell’s team, including his top aide James Meadway, were in Portcullis House this morning where they were described as jubilant by a witness. Sadiq Khan is meeting Labour MPs in parliament too. Could a second party leader be out this weekend?"

[PokerBroker]

(not a ukip voter)

but UKIP got 4m votes at the 2015 GE. A big slug of those were from labour voters.

that subset is motivated by immigration concern over anything else surely, and were the big swing factor last night?

i am not saying they are racist but the economic consequences of immigration to them/wage levels/community changes etc are far bigger than the issue being "the liberal left is the problem for the socialist case" surely?

people aren't hankering for old style socialism, i sense

Have you spent much time in working class communities Tight End were Labour used to dominate?  I don't mean recently but in general? 

[nirvana]

Eurozone markets down further than the UK market - Brexit is making a positive impact on our economy sooner than I thought

[TightEnd]

(not a ukip voter)

but UKIP got 4m votes at the 2015 GE. A big slug of those were from labour voters.

that subset is motivated by immigration concern over anything else surely, and were the big swing factor last night?

i am not saying they are racist but the economic consequences of immigration to them/wage levels/community changes etc are far bigger than the issue being "the liberal left is the problem for the socialist case" surely?

people aren't hankering for old style socialism, i sense

Have you spent much time in working class communities Tight End were Labour used to dominate?  I don't mean recently but in general? 

no

have you spent any time in midlands marginal communities, which labour needs to win to return to power? i have

if not, let me advise that labour vacating the centre and heading left makes them unelectable (immigration policy is only part of this). (though less unelectable in a big recession, financial crisis etc probability of which has risen)