The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[Doobs]

...And of course my brexit bet come in.  Going to be the least celebrated win ever.  Pretty glad I have my dollars already.  Another £600 in my back pocket.  Right now my most successful visit to vegas ever. 

Looking on the bright side.

[TightEnd]

Too fun that the majority of the written media, the whole of the Tory party, 80% of labour MPs all brand Corbyn an unelectable nutter and then blame him for not getting the vote out.

Petards anyone ?

He hardly tried to get the vote out, thats why

tom watson tried, alan johnson was a labour figurehead, a few others on the debates, sadiq khan notably

corbyn wouldn't share a platform with cameron. ok, can understand that i suppose

but his comment that he did not want to see any restrictions to freedom of movement an hour after his deputy postulated that there should be was two fingers up at his core vote.

thats why Corbyn is in trouble. He should be. The membership vote probably keeps him in, but that doesn't help Labour in a snap GE

[nirvana]

Too fun that the majority of the written media, the whole of the Tory party, 80% of labour MPs all brand Corbyn an unelectable nutter and then blame him for not getting the vote out.

Petards anyone ?

Agree.

I actually think Corbyn and Cameron should both stay, this really is a non-partisan issue for the most part, I'm not in the camp of 'resign if things are not 100% how you want them'.

Yep, it was so odd that most of the attacks on leave by Labour were party political as most of the reps of leave were Tory/UKIP. It was a confused and shambolic effort by just about the entire 'establishment' and I think we are where we are today wholly because of that.

I ended up being about 55% out and that is how I voted but as an 'outer' I could have done a better job of portraying the benefits of being a member of the EU (I think there are many) than the remain campaign did

[MANTIS01]

The seemingly low opinion from people about our country is staggering. We are one of the most multi-cultural, diverse and tolerant countries in the world...yet we are 'racist'. We have just turned around to the whole world and stated we are open for business...yet we are 'inward looking'. We have just shown we believe in equality for all people...not just people from certain geographic areas. We have embraced every vote and counted all votes equally...yet people suggest when you reach a certain age your input shouldn't matter. Some hideous ideas and comments about Britain really, just the sort of attitude that will hold us back as we try and move forward.

[lucky_scrote]

Can someone help me with something? When we re-enter new trade agreements with the EU, won't we have to abide by a lot of their immigration and right to roam laws anyway? If so, are they likely to be similar to the ones set in place now?

[TightEnd]

Dan i posted this up earlier

take your pick, different implications for trade, immigration/workers rights etc

Click to see full-size image.

[DaveShoelace]

Has anyone seen what % of young people (I guess 25 and under?) voted?

[david3103]

The seemingly low opinion from people about our country is staggering. We are one of the most multi-cultural, diverse and tolerant countries in the world...yet we are 'racist'. We have just turned around to the whole world and stated we are open for business...yet we are 'inward looking'. We have just shown we believe in equality for all people...not just people from certain geographic areas. We have embraced every vote and counted all votes equally...yet people suggest when you reach a certain age your input shouldn't matter. Some hideous ideas and comments about Britain really, just the sort of attitude that will hold us back as we try and move forward.

Possibly the most sensible post you've ever made, and that includes the ones on the PHA board

I'm stealing it for elsewhere.

[nirvana]

Too fun that the majority of the written media, the whole of the Tory party, 80% of labour MPs all brand Corbyn an unelectable nutter and then blame him for not getting the vote out.

Petards anyone ?

He hardly tried to get the vote out, thats why

tom watson tried, alan johnson was a labour figurehead, a few others on the debates, sadiq khan notably

corbyn wouldn't share a platform with cameron. ok, can understand that i suppose

but his comment that he did not want to see any restrictions to freedom of movement an hour after his deputy postulated that there should be was two fingers up at his core vote.

thats why Corbyn is in trouble. He should be. The membership vote probably keeps him in, but that doesn't help Labour in a snap GE

I understand all that except it's a matter of integrity to state clearly that if we stay there can be no upper limit on immigration or restrictions on movement. I admire him for that more than feel critical of him.

[TightEnd]

Too fun that the majority of the written media, the whole of the Tory party, 80% of labour MPs all brand Corbyn an unelectable nutter and then blame him for not getting the vote out.

Petards anyone ?

He hardly tried to get the vote out, thats why

tom watson tried, alan johnson was a labour figurehead, a few others on the debates, sadiq khan notably

corbyn wouldn't share a platform with cameron. ok, can understand that i suppose

but his comment that he did not want to see any restrictions to freedom of movement an hour after his deputy postulated that there should be was two fingers up at his core vote.

thats why Corbyn is in trouble. He should be. The membership vote probably keeps him in, but that doesn't help Labour in a snap GE

I understand all that except it's a matter of integrity to state clearly that if we stay there can be no upper limit on immigration or restrictions on movement. I admire him for that more than feel critical of him.

ok, i get that back. do you really think he's in touch with his vote though (not the london luvvies, the labour heartlands)?

if not, why is he leader?

[nirvana]

Has anyone seen what % of young people (I guess 25 and under?) voted?

I would think you can only make an educated guess about this based on the overall demographics of those who registered

[Doobs]

The seemingly low opinion from people about our country is staggering. We are one of the most multi-cultural, diverse and tolerant countries in the world...yet we are 'racist'. We have just turned around to the whole world and stated we are open for business...yet we are 'inward looking'. We have just shown we believe in equality for all people...not just people from certain geographic areas. We have embraced every vote and counted all votes equally...yet people suggest when you reach a certain age your input shouldn't matter. Some hideous ideas and comments about Britain really, just the sort of attitude that will hold us back as we try and move forward.

Possibly the most sensible post you've ever made, and that includes the ones on the PHA board

I'm stealing it for elsewhere.

How does this show we are open for business?  And how are we not treating people differently based on geography.  Previously we gave priority to Europeans, now it is just those from the UK.  It is just the same as before, just with a different region.

Anyway, may as well take advantage of the turmoil and buy some shares.

[atdc21]

Can someone tell me in simple terms the obv benefits for leaving, as all the bad points are easy for me to see.

[nirvana]

Too fun that the majority of the written media, the whole of the Tory party, 80% of labour MPs all brand Corbyn an unelectable nutter and then blame him for not getting the vote out.

Petards anyone ?

He hardly tried to get the vote out, thats why

tom watson tried, alan johnson was a labour figurehead, a few others on the debates, sadiq khan notably

corbyn wouldn't share a platform with cameron. ok, can understand that i suppose

but his comment that he did not want to see any restrictions to freedom of movement an hour after his deputy postulated that there should be was two fingers up at his core vote.

thats why Corbyn is in trouble. He should be. The membership vote probably keeps him in, but that doesn't help Labour in a snap GE

I understand all that except it's a matter of integrity to state clearly that if we stay there can be no upper limit on immigration or restrictions on movement. I admire him for that more than feel critical of him.

ok, i get that back. do you really think he's in touch with his vote though (not the london luvvies, the labour heartlands)?

if not, why is he leader?

Aah, I agree he has little merit as a leader in the short term if being elected is the only raison d'etre. In the same way Kinnock dragged the party to the centre and paved the way for the electable Blair I think someone had to drag Labour leftwards to help them find a new position that could be appealing/electable etc but wasn't simply Tory lite.

[TightEnd]

Too fun that the majority of the written media, the whole of the Tory party, 80% of labour MPs all brand Corbyn an unelectable nutter and then blame him for not getting the vote out.

Petards anyone ?

He hardly tried to get the vote out, thats why

tom watson tried, alan johnson was a labour figurehead, a few others on the debates, sadiq khan notably

corbyn wouldn't share a platform with cameron. ok, can understand that i suppose

but his comment that he did not want to see any restrictions to freedom of movement an hour after his deputy postulated that there should be was two fingers up at his core vote.

thats why Corbyn is in trouble. He should be. The membership vote probably keeps him in, but that doesn't help Labour in a snap GE

I understand all that except it's a matter of integrity to state clearly that if we stay there can be no upper limit on immigration or restrictions on movement. I admire him for that more than feel critical of him.

ok, i get that back. do you really think he's in touch with his vote though (not the london luvvies, the labour heartlands)?

if not, why is he leader?

Aah, I agree he has little merit as a leader in the short term if being elected is the only raison d'etre. In the same way Kinnock dragged the party to the centre and paved the way for the electable Blair I think someone had to drag Labour leftwards to help them find a new position that could be appealing/electable etc but wasn't simply Tory lite.

ok i understand

so a labour voter is praying for no snap general election post boris or May? because they aren't ready?

different answer if corbyn's successor is in place (assuming they appeal to broader groupings)?