The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[BigAdz]

I think they definitely would still want to supply/ sell to us Adz, I was just reading into it what a no deal scenario would cause with delays getting it here

But we are round another part of the circle. The guys RUNNING customs have no worries. Your biggest problem, is the same as I had today when good old Pierre French Policeman has to be seen to earn his crust so takes dabs from everyone steering wheels and then lets you all wait out of sheer bloodymindedness for half and hour before waving you on.

[TightEnd]

the customs paperwork, if no deal, is levying tariffs. It's unavoidable. As has have also posted with the maths of what this means, there is a big knock on effect is so much as one lorry doesn't process in time because of no/wrong paperwork. Might be a short term thing, might not be.

Lets hope there is a deal.

[BigAdz]

It's a bit like you have asked the kids to write a report on someone they saw on the telly, as a project.

Yes, it all looks very nice, makes a nice story, reads well, and its a good job. However, how much research have they actually done, apart from watch the telly show? They are your kids, so you want to believe them, you have taught them and have faith in them. A+

However you then meet someone who has actually met the man on the telly and he tells you something different that contradicts their story, but for some strange reason, you still decide to listen to the kids, probably cos they are your kids and their story sounds better...

[Longines]

But we are round another part of the circle. The guys RUNNING customs have no worries.

The guy who I think made that comment, the head of France's customs department, has been sacked. Looks like France are going to have a month long Brexit dress rehearsal starting on Sunday, hopefully it goes well.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/news/french-customs-struggles-to-cope-with-no-deal-brexit-planning/

[typhoon13]

Lets hope for a No Deal

Clean break

Kick on

Sort out

Paddle own canoe

Survive like other countries do

Start looking after own country problems

We are good enough and strong enough to defend for ourselves

Doom mongers on here tend to forget how great and strong our Great Britain really is

Have faith like the majority of the leave voters have, not doom and gloom we cant survive without our arrogant partners

[TightEnd]

Two countries in the world survive on WTO and few trade deals. Ours will take years todo. No deal will lead to severe economic hardship, but probably not for commodity traders in the Midlands with substantial funds behind them.

boris himself was reportedly spooked by how bad no deal looked in forecasts, and is trying to do a deal. Thankfully

I am surprised and disappointed in your view Trevor, it really is so difficult to untangle an integrated major economy in a just in time world.

As to Adz, the rather tortuous analogy completely lost me, not for the first time. Maybe that's me though

[TightEnd]

Revolution and counter-revolution. Grey's latest Brexit Blog post analysing how Jacobinism and McCarthyism frame this week's developments including prorogation, rule of law, Yellowhammer, Bercow.

Another long read, I'm afraid but essential reading for a rounded view of a tumultuous week

 https://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2019/09/revolution-and-counter-revolution.html

[engy]

I drove HGVs to Cairnryan Lochryan Stranraer ports daily for 3 years. If your picking up an empty trailer they still check you. when the gate workers were having a dispute with the port authorities, and they went on work to rule, which basically meant doing the job on entry and exit to the letter  which happened maybe half a dozen times in those 3 years the chaos there was unbelievable 6 mile tailbacks in no time. I dread to think what a port like Dover will be like.

[typhoon13]

Two countries in the world survive on WTO and few trade deals. Ours will take years todo. No deal will lead to severe economic hardship, but probably not for commodity traders in the Midlands with substantial funds behind them.

boris himself was reportedly spooked by how bad no deal looked in forecasts, and is trying to do a deal. Thankfully

I am surprised and disappointed in your view Trevor, it really is so difficult to untangle an integrated major economy in a just in time world.

As to Adz, the rather tortuous analogy completely lost me, not for the first time. Maybe that's me though

No disrespect Rich but I disagree with you

I am entitled to my opinion like you are to yours

Please never be disappointed in my views they aren't always correct I admit, but they haven't  served me too bad either

I know a lot of cleverer people than myself and they are full supporters for No Deal, you think they are wrong they think they are right

Wrongs and rights make markets and discussion

[aaron1867]

I said it a few days ago about the response of voters to MP’s, but everywhere Boris goes he’s heckled or facing aggression from voters.

I’ll say this again - you’ve got to worry for him & other MP’s if this continues.

[BigAdz]

Two countries in the world survive on WTO and few trade deals. Ours will take years todo. No deal will lead to severe economic hardship, but probably not for commodity traders in the Midlands with substantial funds behind them.

boris himself was reportedly spooked by how bad no deal looked in forecasts, and is trying to do a deal. Thankfully

I am surprised and disappointed in your view Trevor, it really is so difficult to untangle an integrated major economy in a just in time world.

As to Adz, the rather tortuous analogy completely lost me, not for the first time. Maybe that's me though

I wouldn't expect you to understand.

You are a far superior being to me, and I am not worthy to even address you. But you know that already.

[aaron1867]

Lots of different polls and information on Twitter, some from saying Tories could get a majority and one saying likelyhood is 295-300.

But I was staggered to see someones graphs showing about Labour leavers and the way they would vote. I genuinely thought that despite the Labour's move to a softer/no brexit that they still would never vote Tory. But according to this it shows 18% vote Brexit Party and 11% vote Tory. Staggering really.

[Woodsey]

Lots of different polls and information on Twitter, some from saying Tories could get a majority and one saying likelyhood is 295-300.

But I was staggered to see someones graphs showing about Labour leavers and the way they would vote. I genuinely thought that despite the Labour's move to a softer/no brexit that they still would never vote Tory. But according to this it shows 18% vote Brexit Party and 11% vote Tory. Staggering really.

Not really when you consider who is in charge of the Labour Party.

[aaron1867]

Lots of different polls and information on Twitter, some from saying Tories could get a majority and one saying likelyhood is 295-300.

But I was staggered to see someones graphs showing about Labour leavers and the way they would vote. I genuinely thought that despite the Labour's move to a softer/no brexit that they still would never vote Tory. But according to this it shows 18% vote Brexit Party and 11% vote Tory. Staggering really.

Not really when you consider who is in charge of the Labour Party.

I get that. But he also is very popular, look at the 2017 result, it was expected to be a huge tory majority. I just don't see how a labour voters values can suddenly tick the tory box. At least if you're vote is all about Brexit, you can understand the a vote for Brexit Party.

Think Labour are going to lose votes everywhere. I certainly would never vote for the again with Jeremy in charge.

[Woodsey]

Lots of different polls and information on Twitter, some from saying Tories could get a majority and one saying likelyhood is 295-300.

But I was staggered to see someones graphs showing about Labour leavers and the way they would vote. I genuinely thought that despite the Labour's move to a softer/no brexit that they still would never vote Tory. But according to this it shows 18% vote Brexit Party and 11% vote Tory. Staggering really.

Not really when you consider who is in charge of the Labour Party.

I get that. But he also is very popular, look at the 2017 result, it was expected to be a huge tory majority. I just don't see how a labour voters values can suddenly tick the tory box. At least if you're vote is all about Brexit, you can understand the a vote for Brexit Party.

Think Labour are going to lose votes everywhere. I certainly would never vote for the again with Jeremy in charge.

In 2017 maybot was shite and since then people have seen even more what a useless clown JC is, your last sentence really does sum it up. Sure the Brexit stuff on top of that.....He was clearly delighted to support an election recently despite spending the last 6 months asking for one