Gay Cake affair

[RED-DOG]

I don't believe in God, but I truly wish I did, and I envy those who do.

[doubleup]

I don't know how to bake cakes , but I truly wish I did, and I envy those who do.

fyp

[RED-DOG]

I don't know how to bake cakes , but I truly wish I did, and I envy those who do.

fyp

I could learn to bake cakes.

[aaron1867]

Before I read the story was wondering how anyone could defend the bakers - sounded like clear discrimination.

After reading it, not so sure. Don't think they refused to serve the customers, just didn't want to put the design on the cake that went against their beliefs.
If the bakers were strongly pro animal rights, and someone wanted a 'Support Fox Hunting' cake. then I wouldn't think it's out of order to politely refuse.

They did refuse to serve the customers though - they wouldn't do as asked.

They didn't refuse because the customer was gay. They refused because they were asked to take a positive action in support of something they didn't support.

Erm, a positive action? From what I can see they was just asked to bake a cake with a slogan on it, not join in with their stance, etc.

It's also curious to know what the other employees think.

I think the decision is correct & why couldn't the bakery instead just turn round and refuse the custom, instead of casting opinion based on their beliefs?

It's complete and utter stupidity from the business and I personally do hope it affects them hugely.

[RED-DOG]

Before I read the story was wondering how anyone could defend the bakers - sounded like clear discrimination.

After reading it, not so sure. Don't think they refused to serve the customers, just didn't want to put the design on the cake that went against their beliefs.
If the bakers were strongly pro animal rights, and someone wanted a 'Support Fox Hunting' cake. then I wouldn't think it's out of order to politely refuse.

They did refuse to serve the customers though - they wouldn't do as asked.

They didn't refuse because the customer was gay. They refused because they were asked to take a positive action in support of something they didn't support.

Erm, a positive action? From what I can see they was just asked to bake a cake with a slogan on it, not join in with their stance, etc.

It's also curious to know what the other employees think.

I think the decision is correct & why couldn't the bakery instead just turn round and refuse the custom, instead of casting opinion based on their beliefs?

It's complete and utter stupidity from the business and I personally do hope it affects them hugely.

So what if you owned the bakery and someone wanted white supremacy slogan on their cake?

[AdamM]

I think there's a lot of people intentionally missing the point or playing devil's advocate.

Don't be a dick to people who are different to you, just because they are different to you.
It's that simple.

If the cake shop was run by a gay atheist and a Christian customer ordered a cake with "Jesus is Lord" on it, not making the cake would be wrong.
If the cake ordered was to say "God Hates Fags" then it's fine to refuse.

[simonnatur]

Thank you Bookiebasher for bringing this to my attention. Have put in a little extra work using google and thanks to The Telegraph I  am now fully up to speed on controversial cakes:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/foodanddrinknews/10953473/Gay-cake-row-other-famous-controversial-cakes.html

[Graham C]

I don't know how to bake cakes , but I truly wish I did, and I envy those who do.

fyp

I could learn to bake cakes.

You could possibly learn to believe in a God.  Start going to church regularly and you may get sucked in enjoy it and see the light

[DaveShoelace]

I think there's a lot of people intentionally missing the point or playing devil's advocate.

Don't be a dick to people who are different to you, just because they are different to you.
It's that simple.

If the cake shop was run by a gay atheist and a Christian customer ordered a cake with "Jesus is Lord" on it, not making the cake would be wrong.
If the cake ordered was to say "God Hates Fags" then it's fine to refuse.

While I completly agree with your sentiment and share the same viewpoint, we are talking about the law here. The law both protects certain groups from discrimination and it allows people to be complete dicks at times.

[RED-DOG]

I don't know how to bake cakes , but I truly wish I did, and I envy those who do.

fyp

I could learn to bake cakes.

You could possibly learn to believe in a God.  Start going to church regularly and you may get sucked in enjoy it and see the light

I believe in cakes. I can explain cakes. I can prove to myself that cakes exist.

[mulhuzz]

I don't know how to bake cakes , but I truly wish I did, and I envy those who do.

fyp

I could learn to bake cakes.

You could possibly learn to believe in a God.  Start going to church regularly and you may get sucked in enjoy it and see the light

I believe in cakes. I can explain cakes. I can prove to myself that cakes exist.

Was there not a time before cake when you just blindly believed in their existence and called it faith?

[Eck]

I don't know how to bake cakes , but I truly wish I did, and I envy those who do.

fyp

I could learn to bake cakes.

You could possibly learn to believe in a God.  Start going to church regularly and you may get sucked in enjoy it and see the light

I believe in cakes. I can explain cakes. I can prove to myself that cakes exist.

Can you explain it to the rest of your family though as they will be unaware of their existence I would expect?

[RED-DOG]

I don't know how to bake cakes , but I truly wish I did, and I envy those who do.

fyp

I could learn to bake cakes.

You could possibly learn to believe in a God.  Start going to church regularly and you may get sucked in enjoy it and see the light

I believe in cakes. I can explain cakes. I can prove to myself that cakes exist.

Can you explain it to the rest of your family though as they will be unaware of their existence I would expect?

They believe they exist, they just have no proof.

[Graham C]

I don't know how to bake cakes , but I truly wish I did, and I envy those who do.

fyp

I could learn to bake cakes.

You could possibly learn to believe in a God.  Start going to church regularly and you may get sucked in enjoy it and see the light

I believe in cakes. I can explain cakes. I can prove to myself that cakes exist.

Can you explain it to the rest of your family though as they will be unaware of their existence I would expect?

They believe they exist, they just have no proof.

Don't you share your cake?

[RED-DOG]

I don't know how to bake cakes , but I truly wish I did, and I envy those who do.

fyp

I could learn to bake cakes.

You could possibly learn to believe in a God.  Start going to church regularly and you may get sucked in enjoy it and see the light

I believe in cakes. I can explain cakes. I can prove to myself that cakes exist.

Can you explain it to the rest of your family though as they will be unaware of their existence I would expect?

They believe they exist, they just have no proof.

Don't you share your cake?

If you wait for a cake to be given to you so you will be happy, then you will be happy when someone gives you a cake. But if you buy a cake for yourself you will be happy sooner.


Do I share cake? Yes, I share other people's cake.