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« on: August 24, 2015, 04:05:37 PM »

Ok I know rob is asking on face book about people's option on this .i am basicly trying to find soft ware where there are no huds ( cheats ) what ever you may call it .i want to play 1/4 tables at time online where I know there are no players using things to give them a edge over me .i think that sky poker is one can anyone confirm.

I not after debate weather good or bad just software I can use hud hack cheat free
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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2015, 04:09:51 PM »

Ok I know rob is asking on face book about people's option on this .i am basicly trying to find soft ware where there are no huds ( cheats ) what ever you may call it .i want to play 1/4 tables at time online where I know there are no players using things to give them a edge over me .i think that sky poker is one can anyone confirm.

I not after debate weather good or bad just software I can use hud hack cheat free

For months I haven't been using a hud.

I should be but I haven't.

I still think it's completely stupid to call it 'cheating'.

I would like them scrapped from the game as much as anyone else but it's just not cheating - not even close.
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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2015, 04:26:37 PM »

Ok I know rob is asking on face book about people's option on this .i am basicly trying to find soft ware where there are no huds ( cheats ) what ever you may call it .i want to play 1/4 tables at time online where I know there are no players using things to give them a edge over me .i think that sky poker is one can anyone confirm.

I not after debate weather good or bad just software I can use hud hack cheat free

For months I haven't been using a hud.

I should be but I haven't.

I still think it's completely stupid to call it 'cheating'.

I would like them scrapped from the game as much as anyone else but it's just not cheating - not even close.


Like I said I not after debate in what it is just a software that they can not be used on
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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2015, 04:49:47 PM »

Ok I know rob is asking on face book about people's option on this .i am basicly trying to find soft ware where there are no huds ( cheats ) what ever you may call it .i want to play 1/4 tables at time online where I know there are no players using things to give them a edge over me .i think that sky poker is one can anyone confirm.

I not after debate weather good or bad just software I can use hud hack cheat free

For months I haven't been using a hud.

I should be but I haven't.

I still think it's completely stupid to call it 'cheating'.

I would like them scrapped from the game as much as anyone else but it's just not cheating - not even close.


Like I said I not after debate in what it is just a software that they can not be used on

Not debating, just pointing out that you're incorrect.
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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2015, 05:15:31 PM »

You asked for no debate but started a debate in your opening post!

Only sky as far as I know
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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2015, 05:18:34 PM »

Sky/uni bet. A hud is worth little vs a random opponents. Huge myth. Better poker players will win regardless
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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2015, 05:26:55 PM »

Like Adam said sky and unibet, both sites pride themselves on not allowing the use of Huds. Unibet has built their business model around trying to make poker "fun" again, no Huds players can't table select etc. Either site would be ideal for you
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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2015, 07:09:57 PM »

Hi smoky,

Unibet has been mentioned, as has Sky Poker. I can't comment on Unibet's position, but on Sky Poker you cannot use HUD's or any similar third party software.

More specifically, a HUD simply would & cannot work on Sky Poker, they have modified the software in such a way as to render them unworkable on there.  

This is not flim-flam PR, it's a fact. From time to time, a few players try & design Heath Robinson workarounds, but they won't work. One was briefly available around 5 years ago, but it was soon closed down by a software modification.

The question was asked only last week on their Forum, & the official reply was as follows......



"Hi there
We do not allow any player assistance tools on Sky Poker, all such software is banned so there is no 'allowed list'.  We do not work with any 3rd party suppliers of such software and strongly advise players to avoid people who claim to work with Sky Poker.
We monitor for this activity, however, if you believe you have information that proves someone is using such software please send us a message and we will take the necessary action.
Anybody seen to be using such software risks having their account closed."





I gather from industry sources that various other sites are considering the same thing, & I know with 100% certainty that one very well known Online Poker brand will introduce the same restriction within the next few months.



As with so many things, this comes at a price, in that, related to the above, players have only very limited access to Hand Histories, which often causes negative comments.

However, if third party software was permitted there, traffic & liquidity would decline very significantly, so it won't be changing. Ever.
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2015, 07:52:50 PM »

Ty all for messages answers

Esp tikay I know only play on sky poker
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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2015, 02:22:50 PM »

I was under the impression Poker is a game where you pit your wits against another player. Mind vs mind so to speak. Personally I think having a HUD is like having a Tec/Stats guy on stand by to help you make a better decision. The old one player per hand rule comes under question with HUDS in my opinion.
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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2015, 06:26:11 AM »

Unibet has been mentioned, as has Sky Poker. I can't comment on Unibet's position, but on Sky Poker you cannot use HUD's or any similar third party software.

+1 to Sky + Unibet, you can add PKR to that list, too.

Re: Unibet - They're definitely anti all 3rd party software. It's like Sky in that there's no way of saving Hand Histories to a hard drive.

However, with Unibet, there's the added protection of being able to change your screen name pretty much whenever you want. I believe it's limited to something like 5 saved at one time (Before you have to get rid of 1 and let other people use it), and you can create 3 new ones per day, which means even if they could somehow create a HUD, the opponent simply changing their name would make that data useless, and probably -EV if someone re-uses the name of someone you've played before, but plays totally different.

Also has no table selection - Their regular cash and SNG table seating works similar to Zoom on Stars where you just join the player pool and get stuck on a random table, an no list of players sat at tables. Therefore, no possibility for seating scripts, either.

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Ok I know rob is asking on face book about people's option on this .i am basicly trying to find soft ware where there are no huds ( cheats ) what ever you may call it .i want to play 1/4 tables at time online where I know there are no players using things to give them a edge over me .i think that sky poker is one can anyone confirm.

I not after debate weather good or bad just software I can use hud hack cheat free

Re: OP - IMO:

For Micro stakes cash, I'd recommend:
1) Unibet - 1% rake @ 4nl and I think 3% @ 10nl is HUGE for your winrate at these levels - If someone said to me, "I want to deposit £50 tomorrow and start playing Micro stakes Cash to make a few quid, have some fun and withdraw a few hundred quid a year to treat myself/family occasionally", I'd recommend Unibet over every other site on the internet, Stars included, because 1% rake at 4nl is THAT significant. I don't know your ability, but a much higher % of 4nl Unibet players will win than 4nl Sky players. And it won't even be close.
2) Most sites where HUDs are allowed - Anyone who is THAT proficient at using a HUD to the point where it becomes a significant advantage over good observation/note making ability isn't going to be playing Micro stakes cash anyways.
3) Sky - 7.5% rake up to 10nl is a MASSIVE KILLER for most people's chances of beating the games, not gonna do the "Sky drop your rake to 5% @ micros please!" rant here because I've done it loads of times and it hasn't happened yet, so probably never will. Decent for socialising with UK players if that is important to you.
4) PKR - Less rake than Sky, but depositing/withdrawing in $$$ and getting raked a second time by your bank negates that.
Huh?) Microgaming (e.g. 32Red) - Allows HUDs, but has anonymous cash tables, rendering HUDs useless if you choose to sit at these tables. Never played them so no idea what the standard is like, if they run at all, rake etc.

For anything >=20nl cash
1) Sky - Rake drops to 5% capped @ £1.80 at 20nl and above. Sometimes gets reggy, almost always a game or two running up to and including 100nl. If you're not playing many tables, you'll be able to get a game pretty much 24/7 on Sky.
2) PKR - Hardly ever play cash here, but looks like decent traffic. Depositing in dollars sucks (Yes, I'm a massive life nit who hates giving the bank like 3% of everything I win on crappy exchange rates). Poor rakeback too.
3) Unibet - Never played above 10nl here, newer site but traffic at the higher levels only really seems to be there when they have rake races etc, so would imagine they either don't run, or are reg infested. Don't know for certain though. Not sure what the rake % is.
Huh?) Microgaming (e.g. 32Red) - Allows HUDs, but has anonymous cash tables, rendering HUDs useless if you choose to sit at these tables. Never played them so no idea what the standard is like, if they run at all, rake etc.

HUSNGs
1) Sky - Better variety than PKR, 'only' 5% rake, decent rakeback, easy enough to get a game most of the time.
2) Unibet - Rake is the best of the 3, but only 1 HUSNG type with 3 min blinds - There's no variety. Unsure how often games run @ higher levels.
3) PKR - Rake is the worst of the 3 (5-7% depending on the level). Combine that with crap RB and the bank taking a chunk of your deposit and withdrawal when you exchange back to £££. Meh.

Other SNGs
- Unibet ONLY offers 5 man SNGs, although they have hardly any rake again, like the HUSNGs (€0.97 + €0.03). If you don't mind the lack of game selection, defo okay to play here.
- Sky is the best place for Double or Nothings, Double your Moneys, Double ups, whatever you want to call them, where half the field gets twice their money back. Poor regular 6max SNG traffic. (I really should sit them games more to try and get them to run at £5+, but I never do). PKR also has these, and they're raked the same but PKR's 'rakeback' is crap. I personally only play these on PKR at 4am when Sky is dead because the whole of the UK is asleep.
- PKR is the best for regular 6max/Full ring SNGs by default.

MTTs
1) Sky - Best of the 3 sites during times when most UK players are likely to be playing. 6max only.
2) PKR - Few decent MTTs. Better night time (11pm through to maybe 10am) schedule than Sky, because Australia and because Canada, so better than Sky if you play a lot at night. Also offers full ring, unlike Sky.
3) Unibet - Site is still fairly new so can let them off this one, but aside from the Unibet Live sats, there's pretty much nothing.

Signup bonuses, rakeback, promos etc
1) Sky - £10 SNG/MTT tokens (Might be £11 actually and the tokens include rake, it's advertised as £10 though). Better first deposit match than PKR. Promos are usually pretty good. Rakeback itself isn't great for lower volume, but also includes a freeroll Mon-Fri, £1k GTD plus the last few weeks there's been some added value in there too, gets like 1k runners most nights so equates to £1 of EV every time you play, 1st is usually £100. Usually some other freerolls @ 7pm for X points earned in the last 24 hours (Pretty easy to get for most)
2) If you choose to play on Microgaming for the anonymous cash tables I mentioned, I know 32Red has a flat 30% Rakeback which I believe you can cash out any time above 100 points = Either $1 or €1
3) Unibet - You get a €10 free 4nl ticket, no deposit required. Also no deposit required for their matched bonus, although GL unlocking anything worthwhile with the liquidity on here. Decent RB (It's in the form of challenges that are designed to take a certain number of hands that according to their rep on 2+2, equates to a flat 25% rakeback on average). Promos seem decent.
4) Daylight.
5) A kick in the balls.
6) PKR - Think there's a deposit match bonus for first signup, occasionally get offered deposit bonuses, rakeback is all but non-existent in the form of buying useless tat from the PKR store, and tickets that equate to some joke figure RB%. Worked it out once and it was like a flat 4% or something ridiculous. Some of the promos are alright but there's very rarely anything to encourage me to play there.

Spin and Go (or equivalents)
1) PKR - First site where HUDs are banned to offer these - Got an email earlier this week!

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Cliffs:
- Definitely sign up to Unibet, even if you only have some fun with the free 4nl no deposit required token, and never play there again. See if you like it and the games they currently have on offer. The variety of games isn't great (yet, would be spreading liquidity too thin for a relatively new site), would recommend it more for cash players than SNG/MTT.
- Definitely sign up to Sky if you aren't already, all round it's by far the best non-HUD site out there. (My opinion may change as Unibet grows, but that'll take a while)
- PKR is okay, definitely the worst of the 3 IMO, but if you're playing MTTs at night a lot, or you want to play full ring, I can't think of anywhere else that offers full ring and doesn't allow HUDs, you'll want an account here. Might as well get one anyway, can always check every so often, see if there's any promos you fancy or whatever.

Man, I spent far too long writing this post, haha. Hope it helps.
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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2015, 08:38:42 AM »

Unibet has been mentioned, as has Sky Poker. I can't comment on Unibet's position, but on Sky Poker you cannot use HUD's or any similar third party software.

+1 to Sky + Unibet, you can add PKR to that list, too.

Re: Unibet - They're definitely anti all 3rd party software. It's like Sky in that there's no way of saving Hand Histories to a hard drive.

However, with Unibet, there's the added protection of being able to change your screen name pretty much whenever you want. I believe it's limited to something like 5 saved at one time (Before you have to get rid of 1 and let other people use it), and you can create 3 new ones per day, which means even if they could somehow create a HUD, the opponent simply changing their name would make that data useless, and probably -EV if someone re-uses the name of someone you've played before, but plays totally different.

Also has no table selection - Their regular cash and SNG table seating works similar to Zoom on Stars where you just join the player pool and get stuck on a random table, an no list of players sat at tables. Therefore, no possibility for seating scripts, either.

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Ok I know rob is asking on face book about people's option on this .i am basicly trying to find soft ware where there are no huds ( cheats ) what ever you may call it .i want to play 1/4 tables at time online where I know there are no players using things to give them a edge over me .i think that sky poker is one can anyone confirm.

I not after debate weather good or bad just software I can use hud hack cheat free

Re: OP - IMO:

For Micro stakes cash, I'd recommend:
1) Unibet - 1% rake @ 4nl and I think 3% @ 10nl is HUGE for your winrate at these levels - If someone said to me, "I want to deposit £50 tomorrow and start playing Micro stakes Cash to make a few quid, have some fun and withdraw a few hundred quid a year to treat myself/family occasionally", I'd recommend Unibet over every other site on the internet, Stars included, because 1% rake at 4nl is THAT significant. I don't know your ability, but a much higher % of 4nl Unibet players will win than 4nl Sky players. And it won't even be close.
2) Most sites where HUDs are allowed - Anyone who is THAT proficient at using a HUD to the point where it becomes a significant advantage over good observation/note making ability isn't going to be playing Micro stakes cash anyways.
3) Sky - 7.5% rake up to 10nl is a MASSIVE KILLER for most people's chances of beating the games, not gonna do the "Sky drop your rake to 5% @ micros please!" rant here because I've done it loads of times and it hasn't happened yet, so probably never will. Decent for socialising with UK players if that is important to you.
4) PKR - Less rake than Sky, but depositing/withdrawing in $$$ and getting raked a second time by your bank negates that.
Huh?) Microgaming (e.g. 32Red) - Allows HUDs, but has anonymous cash tables, rendering HUDs useless if you choose to sit at these tables. Never played them so no idea what the standard is like, if they run at all, rake etc.

For anything >=20nl cash
1) Sky - Rake drops to 5% capped @ £1.80 at 20nl and above. Sometimes gets reggy, almost always a game or two running up to and including 100nl. If you're not playing many tables, you'll be able to get a game pretty much 24/7 on Sky.
2) PKR - Hardly ever play cash here, but looks like decent traffic. Depositing in dollars sucks (Yes, I'm a massive life nit who hates giving the bank like 3% of everything I win on crappy exchange rates). Poor rakeback too.
3) Unibet - Never played above 10nl here, newer site but traffic at the higher levels only really seems to be there when they have rake races etc, so would imagine they either don't run, or are reg infested. Don't know for certain though. Not sure what the rake % is.
Huh?) Microgaming (e.g. 32Red) - Allows HUDs, but has anonymous cash tables, rendering HUDs useless if you choose to sit at these tables. Never played them so no idea what the standard is like, if they run at all, rake etc.

HUSNGs
1) Sky - Better variety than PKR, 'only' 5% rake, decent rakeback, easy enough to get a game most of the time.
2) Unibet - Rake is the best of the 3, but only 1 HUSNG type with 3 min blinds - There's no variety. Unsure how often games run @ higher levels.
3) PKR - Rake is the worst of the 3 (5-7% depending on the level). Combine that with crap RB and the bank taking a chunk of your deposit and withdrawal when you exchange back to £££. Meh.

Other SNGs
- Unibet ONLY offers 5 man SNGs, although they have hardly any rake again, like the HUSNGs (€0.97 + €0.03). If you don't mind the lack of game selection, defo okay to play here.
- Sky is the best place for Double or Nothings, Double your Moneys, Double ups, whatever you want to call them, where half the field gets twice their money back. Poor regular 6max SNG traffic. (I really should sit them games more to try and get them to run at £5+, but I never do). PKR also has these, and they're raked the same but PKR's 'rakeback' is crap. I personally only play these on PKR at 4am when Sky is dead because the whole of the UK is asleep.
- PKR is the best for regular 6max/Full ring SNGs by default.

MTTs
1) Sky - Best of the 3 sites during times when most UK players are likely to be playing. 6max only.
2) PKR - Few decent MTTs. Better night time (11pm through to maybe 10am) schedule than Sky, because Australia and because Canada, so better than Sky if you play a lot at night. Also offers full ring, unlike Sky.
3) Unibet - Site is still fairly new so can let them off this one, but aside from the Unibet Live sats, there's pretty much nothing.

Signup bonuses, rakeback, promos etc
1) Sky - £10 SNG/MTT tokens (Might be £11 actually and the tokens include rake, it's advertised as £10 though). Better first deposit match than PKR. Promos are usually pretty good. Rakeback itself isn't great for lower volume, but also includes a freeroll Mon-Fri, £1k GTD plus the last few weeks there's been some added value in there too, gets like 1k runners most nights so equates to £1 of EV every time you play, 1st is usually £100. Usually some other freerolls @ 7pm for X points earned in the last 24 hours (Pretty easy to get for most)
2) If you choose to play on Microgaming for the anonymous cash tables I mentioned, I know 32Red has a flat 30% Rakeback which I believe you can cash out any time above 100 points = Either $1 or €1
3) Unibet - You get a €10 free 4nl ticket, no deposit required. Also no deposit required for their matched bonus, although GL unlocking anything worthwhile with the liquidity on here. Decent RB (It's in the form of challenges that are designed to take a certain number of hands that according to their rep on 2+2, equates to a flat 25% rakeback on average). Promos seem decent.
4) Daylight.
5) A kick in the balls.
6) PKR - Think there's a deposit match bonus for first signup, occasionally get offered deposit bonuses, rakeback is all but non-existent in the form of buying useless tat from the PKR store, and tickets that equate to some joke figure RB%. Worked it out once and it was like a flat 4% or something ridiculous. Some of the promos are alright but there's very rarely anything to encourage me to play there.

Spin and Go (or equivalents)
1) PKR - First site where HUDs are banned to offer these - Got an email earlier this week!

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Cliffs:
- Definitely sign up to Unibet, even if you only have some fun with the free 4nl no deposit required token, and never play there again. See if you like it and the games they currently have on offer. The variety of games isn't great (yet, would be spreading liquidity too thin for a relatively new site), would recommend it more for cash players than SNG/MTT.
- Definitely sign up to Sky if you aren't already, all round it's by far the best non-HUD site out there. (My opinion may change as Unibet grows, but that'll take a while)
- PKR is okay, definitely the worst of the 3 IMO, but if you're playing MTTs at night a lot, or you want to play full ring, I can't think of anywhere else that offers full ring and doesn't allow HUDs, you'll want an account here. Might as well get one anyway, can always check every so often, see if there's any promos you fancy or whatever.

Man, I spent far too long writing this post, haha. Hope it helps.




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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2015, 09:02:39 AM »


Yes, a really good & largely well-balanced post by Andy, who is a great lad who I have a lot of time for. 
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« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2015, 01:42:08 AM »

Wow some post by Andy there! Phenomenal stuff.

Slightly off topic, but Unibet really is leading the way in building a player friendly site that promotes the game in a decent manner. Over time I could see a few sites trying too emulate a lot of what unibet is doing.
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