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« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2015, 08:20:25 PM »

There's a lot of logical fallacies ITT. Here are some of them:

- People calling off with bottom pair because its re-entry is bad. No. No, no, no. This is good. We want this to happen. Everytime you bust a tournament this way you should be happy that someone put their money in so bad and realise that that is a good thing for you in the long-run. And then re-enter Cheesy It's funny that these are the same people complaining about HUDs making online unbeatable - "everyone's too good"?! Which way do you want it?!

- People will unlimited re-entries have an advantage. They don't at all. If their larger bankrolls mean they make poor decisions on their first or second bullets then great, let them continue to play poorly please.

- People turning up late have an advantage.  They don't at all. How could they? Your stacking stack is worth the most in hand 1, level 1. Then gradually decreases in value as the registration period goes on. There's just no argument here.

- People staked have an advantage Why? Again, if people "playing for free" means they make poor decisions, then great, please continue. Also this whole "playing for free" notion is generally not true - most staking deals have makeup, so a player needs to makeup all the tournaments he's not cashed before he can see $ for himself.

- DTD are losing customers because of these tournaments. Please, tell me more about how DTD is losing customers because of their hugely popular and successful tournaments... Yes, it may have lost you specifically, and most of the people in this thread will be posting because they aren't happy with the status quo (selection bias), but just look at the numbers. Rob tried to stop re-entry once and got it in the neck, he tried to limit late reg, and again, got it in the neck. The masses clearly like the huge guarantees and structures the way they are. People will always complain. Poker players especially Smiley

Now, as for my personal opinions I like the following:

-Long late reg, 8/9 levels, why not? Again there's no logical reason why people shouldn't be allowed to register really late. Can't agree that tournaments these day lack the buzz of days gone by, quite the opposite. Try being at DTD around a Grand Prix or UKPC week and tell me the atmosphere isn't phenomenal. You never get knife edge tension in day 1 anyway - in freeze outs or re-entries - the knife edge tension comes later, and it is a hell of a lot bigger when theres a big juicy first prize up for grabs.

-1 re-entry per flight. If not, then just one entry per flight. You should be able to play at least once on 1a, 1b, 1c. But not more than twice per flight. Bringing freezeouts back would make me so much less likely to travel to play.

-Not fussed at all about add-ons and reloads. For satellites only imo.
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« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2015, 08:40:10 PM »

What Alex said is pretty much what I would have typed, but shorter.

Would have shorter late reg than 8/9 levels though.

4 would be good.
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« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2015, 08:43:34 PM »

What Alex said is pretty much what I would have typed, but shorter.

Would have shorter late reg than 8/9 levels though.

4 would be good.

You would've typed more than that?

 
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« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2015, 08:46:01 PM »

What Alex said is pretty much what I would have typed, but shorter.

Would have shorter late reg than 8/9 levels though.

4 would be good.

You would've typed more than that?

 

Never typed that much in one post, ever. I meant mine would have been shorter.
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« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2015, 08:52:10 PM »

What Alex said is pretty much what I would have typed, but shorter.

Would have shorter late reg than 8/9 levels though.

4 would be good.

You would've typed more than that?

 

Never typed that much in one post, ever. I meant mine would have been shorter.

Lol yes I thought that wasn't your style. But I can't assume the opposite to what you typed  
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« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2015, 08:53:44 PM »

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« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2015, 09:26:50 PM »

There's a lot of logical fallacies ITT. Here are some of them:

- People calling off with bottom pair because its re-entry is bad. No. No, no, no. This is good. We want this to happen. Everytime you bust a tournament this way you should be happy that someone put their money in so bad and realise that that is a good thing for you in the long-run. And then re-enter Cheesy It's funny that these are the same people complaining about HUDs making online unbeatable - "everyone's too good"?! Which way do you want it?!

Agree.

- People will unlimited re-entries have an advantage. They don't at all. If their larger bankrolls mean they make poor decisions on their first or second bullets then great, let them continue to play poorly please.

Disagree. They don't have an advantage per se, what they are doing though is massively increasing the variance for themselves and the rec punter who wishes to have one bullet. For you, this is good because you are a pro player and can handle the variance. For me as a rec, this is likely to put me off and go back to my mates down the local casino in Liverpool and say "No point travelling to DTD, might as well play bingo because of the variance", and not only is the rec disillusioned from playing again, he's telling all his mates not to bother.

- People turning up late have an advantage.  They don't at all. How could they? Your stacking stack is worth the most in hand 1, level 1. Then gradually decreases in value as the registration period goes on. There's just no argument here.

Again, agree.

- People staked have an advantage Why? Again, if people "playing for free" means they make poor decisions, then great, please continue. Also this whole "playing for free" notion is generally not true - most staking deals have makeup, so a player needs to makeup all the tournaments he's not cashed before he can see $ for himself.

Don't have a view on this as not a staked player but it would make sense. The BRS info put up earlier was kinda confusing tbh!

- DTD are losing customers because of these tournaments. Please, tell me more about how DTD is losing customers because of their hugely popular and successful tournaments... Yes, it may have lost you specifically, and most of the people in this thread will be posting because they aren't happy with the status quo (selection bias), but just look at the numbers. Rob tried to stop re-entry once and got it in the neck, he tried to limit late reg, and again, got it in the neck. The masses clearly like the huge guarantees and structures the way they are. People will always complain. Poker players especially Smiley

There are a lot of former players from DTD ITT and in the Facebook thread asking for freezeouts. I'm under the impression (but I may be wrong) that whilst the number of entries for comps are up, the number of unique entries for comps is down. This is good for you, as a pro, and me, as the rec, because prizepools are better. However, for Rob's business, this is not good. Although people who re-enter pay numerous amounts of rake, half of that goes to the government in tax. He sells less food and beverages because there are less people in the club. There are less people on his slot machines/roulette/blackjack tables.

Now, as for my personal opinions I like the following:

-Long late reg, 8/9 levels, why not? Again there's no logical reason why people shouldn't be allowed to register really late. Can't agree that tournaments these day lack the buzz of days gone by, quite the opposite. Try being at DTD around a Grand Prix or UKPC week and tell me the atmosphere isn't phenomenal. You never get knife edge tension in day 1 anyway - in freeze outs or re-entries - the knife edge tension comes later, and it is a hell of a lot bigger when theres a big juicy first prize up for grabs.

Because it's not worth it stack size wise. I would be interested to know the numbers of people who late reg before and after the first break.

-1 re-entry per flight. If not, then just one entry per flight. You should be able to play at least once on 1a, 1b, 1c. But not more than twice per flight. Bringing freezeouts back would make me so much less likely to travel to play.

I think it should be once per flight for the health of the club. At the end of the day, if I am a rec who travels to DTD for a 2pm comp, chances are first thing I do when I sit down is order a beer. Now you've got me in the club and I've had a drink. I'm not really going anywhere. If I want to drink, I can drink at DTD. I can eat at DTD. If I'm not playing tournament poker (which I would imagine brings the least profit per person to the club), then I have a choice of cash poker, sit and go's (where the hell did they disappear to?), slots and casino gaming.

Maybe I'm wrong, who knows. I remember days where I would be up there for the Monthly Deepstack and by 7pm, there were shedloads of cash tables. Now I believe that doesn't happen, because everyone's playing the comp as there are two starting flights on each day etc.

We can ask for loads of re-entries and loads of chips, but the Club needs people to play slots, play casino games, play cash, buy beer and eat food. Or it will die.
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« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2015, 11:20:32 PM »

Ideally Id like to see Late Reg a bit shorter.  I dont think its that bad mostly but I think its nonsense when people can buy into day 2 of a tournament.

Id also like to see Re-Entry limited to 1 per flight unless theres only 1 day 1 or something like that and allow 1 re-entry during late reg mostly to save people from themselves.  If someone goes for several bullets they might not go to the next tournament incase they end up in for loads again.

The "pro's" having an advantage because they can punt it and just re-enter isnt a legit arguement imo as its not like its only pros that will re-enter and recs will never re-enter.  Its more a case of the pros who can afford it will re-enter if they want to and so will the recs.  There will be pros and recs alike who have 1 bullet to fire at a tourney and cant re-enter if something goes wrong.  I think it also swings both ways on this too, people might punt it and gamble knowing they can re-enter, which causes more variance for recs but on the other side of it,  its now harder to really put pressure on someone early in the tourney.  Putting "recs" to decisions for their tournament life on the early levels is almost redundant now as they can also just call it off and hope theyre right and re-enter if theyre not.
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« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2015, 11:28:49 PM »

I'm sure that everyone will agree that a "pro" with the ability to have multiple re-entries will have a considerable advantage over a "pro" who only has one bullet.

Ergo a "pro" with the ability to have multiple re-entries will have have an even greater advantage over "recs" with either the ability to have multiple entries or one that is only firing one bullet.
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« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2015, 11:32:28 PM »

I'm sure that everyone will agree that a "pro" with the ability to have multiple re-entries will have a considerable advantage over a "pro" who only has one bullet.

Ergo a "pro" with the ability to have multiple re-entries will have have an even greater advantage over "recs" with either the ability to have multiple entries or one that is only firing one bullet.

Why?
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« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2015, 11:37:15 PM »

A pro with one bullet has an advantage over a rec with one bullet.

Let's just ban poker and make it fair on everyone
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« Reply #41 on: August 31, 2015, 11:42:09 PM »

If you must keep it then limit re entry to first 90 mins or thereabouts, and late reg to the same. Current system allows both options for far too long. If that means that a £150k gtee has to be reduced to £75k then reduce it for a while.
The 25/25 series seems pretty popular without having any headline guarantee, as does the GPS.
I know that ambitious guarantees have become part of the DTD image with overly generous satellite guarantees as well, and I appreciate the desire to keep the money in the Poker Community, but I'm sure I'm not the only one whose DTD visits have been significantly reduced by a sense that multiple day ones, multiple re-entry, best stack through etc favour the time and cash rich over the true recreational player.

I hear all the arguments about how we want the loose calls and the extra money in the prize pool but frankly, if I manage to knock out Alex Goulder, Greek Jack, Rastafish, Wadeyone of the Johnsons  or whoever in level five I don't want to have to knock him out again the same day.

Btw Alex, for a lot of us Rec's there isn't necessarily a 'long run'.
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« Reply #42 on: August 31, 2015, 11:47:08 PM »

GPS has a substantial late reg and re entry period iirc?

25/25 do 3 levels which does seem to be popular
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« Reply #43 on: August 31, 2015, 11:49:46 PM »

I'm sure that everyone will agree that a "pro" with the ability to have multiple re-entries will have a considerable advantage over a "pro" who only has one bullet.

Ergo a "pro" with the ability to have multiple re-entries will have have an even greater advantage over "recs" with either the ability to have multiple entries or one that is only firing one bullet.

Why?

If multiple entries are not advantageous why are they banned online?
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« Reply #44 on: August 31, 2015, 11:50:51 PM »

I agree with elements of David and arrboys posts.

With respect, DTD feels like the DFS of the poker world. I remember those ads where they had amazing offers on every single week. It got to a point where u think "well it doesn't matter if I miss this sale there'll be one next week" and I very much think that's what happens at Dtd. That and people obviously have a limited spend on poker which can be reached very quickly with multiple re entries.

I also agree with arrboy with regard to the prize pool being diluted with seats to other comps. I understand why Dtd do it and it is popular but I much prefer the prize pool being just that. What U can win. If I then decide to play other events at Dtd (which is very likely) I can
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