Noisy Neighbours - the Man City thread

[Archer]

Suarez has 26 assists and 69 goals from 9576 minutes in the PL. By comparison Aguero has 29 assists and 102 goals from 10993 minutes.

Suarez didn't take penalties. What are the stats like if we take out Aguero's?

Good point. Aguero has 14  penalties so his total would drop to 88.  Suarex would need to score 1.2 goals per game to make up the gap rather than over 2.

If Aguero's penalties didn't count but everyone elses did, Aguero would still be 2nd in the all time Premier League strike rate table just behind Henry. Not a fair comparison of course because Henry scored a shed laod of penalties as well. The penalty king was Shearer - something like 20% of all his goals were from the penalty spot.

[Archer]

<3 Archer. I wish I could be as detailed as you in my posts

We differ on Henry though! He was an immense talent, but I couldn't stand the guy. Just really disliked him and I'm not sure why. Bergkamp on the other hand; far and away my favourite none City player to have played in the PL over the years. That goal against Newcastle I could watch on a loop for hours and still never understand how he did it.

Suarez was indeed in a decent but not outstanding team, but you could easily say the same about Aguero sometimes! And I don't really consider Henry an out and out striker. Shearer obviously runs Serg close due to the sheer number of goals he netted, but as said different era's and arguably the Premier League today is much stronger than it was 10/15/20 years ago.

Any PL fantasy XI would simply have to have Aguero up front. Who partners him, if anyone, is very much open for debate, but the most lethal finisher the league has ever seen deserves his berth.

I liked Bergkamp as well  

I had no problems with Henry when he was playing but don't like him as a pundit.

Obviously agree about Aguero taking 1 of the 2 strikers berths in an all-time PL team. The PFA wouldn't agree tho...

[hhyftrftdr]

<3 Archer. I wish I could be as detailed as you in my posts

We differ on Henry though! He was an immense talent, but I couldn't stand the guy. Just really disliked him and I'm not sure why. Bergkamp on the other hand; far and away my favourite none City player to have played in the PL over the years. That goal against Newcastle I could watch on a loop for hours and still never understand how he did it.

Suarez was indeed in a decent but not outstanding team, but you could easily say the same about Aguero sometimes! And I don't really consider Henry an out and out striker. Shearer obviously runs Serg close due to the sheer number of goals he netted, but as said different era's and arguably the Premier League today is much stronger than it was 10/15/20 years ago.

Any PL fantasy XI would simply have to have Aguero up front. Who partners him, if anyone, is very much open for debate, but the most lethal finisher the league has ever seen deserves his berth.

I liked Bergkamp as well  

I had no problems with Henry when he was playing but don't like him as a pundit.

Obviously agree about Aguero taking 1 of the 2 strikers berths in an all-time PL team. The PFA wouldn't agree tho...

Maybe it stems from that botched penalty he and Pires tried to take vs us? But I'm sure it runs deeper/longer than that yet I have no real reason to dislike him haha Mind you the list of players I hate is long.....oh so long!

Is this the same PFA that gave Rodgers manager of the year for coming 2nd over Pellers who won the league and cup double in his first season in England? lol

[tikay]

Yeah maybe true about Kolorov

What was you're opinion on Sergio Aguero this season I felt he lost a bit of his spark, I know he scored plenty still but I thought his demeanour changed and he looked a bit isolated at times, even more so when KDB was out
Before he always played with a smile on his face,this season he showed more frustration I thought?

Cuts a lonely figure at times and maybe feels the weight of the team on his shoulders, but in general another good season. Keeping him fit is the only issue; if he played 90% of the games he'd get 40 goals every year he's that good. Constant niggles are gonna knock 3 years off his career sadly, won't see him playing into his mid 30's IMO.

Get him in your fantasy football teams again next season!

I'm with you this. 40 goals might be pushing it mind. It's not La Liga..

I wouldn’t say he has lost his spark but yes to frustration. Frustration with his body, frustration at missing chances, frustration at being isolated, frustrated with the team who have often been inept, frustration at the system, frustration with referees. He is an integral part of Pep’s plans (Aguero has apparently signed a new contract) and hopefully some of those frustrations will disappear next year with Pep and the best in the league gets better still.

On the face of it the season was a hard one for him, didn’t always look at his best, but yet again a consummate success with a strike rate of a goal for less than every 100 minutes played for the 3rd season in a row. To put the magnitude of that into perspective, it has only been achieved by other strikers 6 times in Premier League history (based on 15+ goals in a season).

He has the best strike rate in Premier League history and the gap between him and 2nd place (Thierry Henry) continues to widen. If he played every minute of every game next season and didn’t score a single goal he’d still be in the top 10. Amazing.

Genius.

Based on all competitions

You can see he has such high expectations of himself, so when he misses a chance he perhaps doesn't brush it off as quickly as he should. He is also continually shafted by referees week in week out and also regularly gets the fuck kicked out of him by cavemen defenders who are simply unable to stop him within the laws of the game.

The best striker to ever grace the Premier League, and we are very lucky to call him our own. Put him down for another 25 goals next season.

Really? God knows I didn't like any of them, but Shearer, Suarez, Henry are all in front of Augero in terms of quality and impact.

Indisputably Aguero is the deadliest striker in Premier League history. Simply he scores more frequently than any other player. His strike rate based on goals per minutes played is the best by some distance. Does that mean he is the “best” striker? It does in my eyes but I accept this is more subjective and particularly when you are comparing players from 3 different periods in the PL era. However, if anything, the 3 players you mention highlight how staggeringly good Aguero’s numbers have been.

Shearer scored lots and lots of PL goals over a prolonged period of 13 seasons in total and is miles ahead at the top all-time scorer chart. In that respect he is a legend.  He was at his most proficient in the 1st 5 seasons of the PL with Blackburn and Newcastle who were both top sides at the time. This was 25 years ago from 1992-1997. The PL landscape was different then and the quality not as high as now because it was mainly British players only.  Yet, in not one of those 5 seasons did Shearer better a strike rate of less than a goal per 100 minutes played. By comparison Aguero has achieved that landmark in each of the last 3 seasons and with less penalties than Shearer.

Aguero and Suarez are directly comparable.  Suarez has 26 assists and 69 goals from 9576 minutes in the PL. By comparison Aguero has 29 assists and 102 goals from 10993 minutes. Aguero’s stats are much, much better. If Suarez ever returned to the PL and made up those minutes he would have to score at over 2 goals per game to match Aguero’s strike rate.

Suarez has just had a brilliant season at Barcelona and he has now played 5419 minutes in La Liga over the last 2 seasons and scored 56 goals.  Over the same time-scale, Aguero has played 4915 minutes in the PL and scored 50 goals. Aguero isn’t playing with Messi and the bottom half of La Liga is weak.

Then there is Thierry Henry who is my historic favourite non-City PL player.  Henry is obviously total quality and his record in his best goal scoring years from 01/02 to 05/06 was extraordinary and he netted 130 times in those 5 seasons in isolation. Yet, his strike rate overall is not as good as Aguero’s…. You can, however, chuck in far more assists with Henry.  So, very close between them and let’s see what another 3 seasons under Pep brings Aguero….

That's a terrific post Mr Archer, loving your work.

These things are so subjective, so it's good to see views backed up by Stats. (Which, of course, can also be subjective).

Lovely post.

[hhyftrftdr]

Agreed Tikay, I wish I could articulate myself as well as Archer! I think going forward I'll let him post on stuff first so I can just go 'yep, +1 from me'.

Ps have a great time in Vegas, looking forward to the updates

[tikay]

Agreed Tikay, I wish I could articulate myself as well as Archer! I think going forward I'll let him post on stuff first so I can just go 'yep, +1 from me'.

Ps have a great time in Vegas, looking forward to the updates

You do just fine.

Did I see you playing for Wimbledon in that play off at the weekend?

[hhyftrftdr]

Agreed Tikay, I wish I could articulate myself as well as Archer! I think going forward I'll let him post on stuff first so I can just go 'yep, +1 from me'.

Ps have a great time in Vegas, looking forward to the updates

You do just fine.

Did I see you playing for Wimbledon in that play off at the weekend?

Nah, I've got a slightly bigger build than Akinfenwa, but I can see why you'd mistake me for him. When do you fly out? VA or BA? (guessing former).

Looks like we can welcome Gundogan to Manchester.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11679/10301831/manchester-city-sign-ilkay-gundogan-from-borussia-dortmund

[tikay]

Agreed Tikay, I wish I could articulate myself as well as Archer! I think going forward I'll let him post on stuff first so I can just go 'yep, +1 from me'.

Ps have a great time in Vegas, looking forward to the updates

You do just fine.

Did I see you playing for Wimbledon in that play off at the weekend?

Nah, I've got a slightly bigger build than Akinfenwa, but I can see why you'd mistake me for him. When do you fly out? VA or BA? (guessing former).

Looks like we can welcome Gundogan to Manchester.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11679/10301831/manchester-city-sign-ilkay-gundogan-from-borussia-dortmund

Tomorrow morning, Virgin from Gatters.

[hhyftrftdr]

Agreed Tikay, I wish I could articulate myself as well as Archer! I think going forward I'll let him post on stuff first so I can just go 'yep, +1 from me'.

Ps have a great time in Vegas, looking forward to the updates

You do just fine.

Did I see you playing for Wimbledon in that play off at the weekend?

Nah, I've got a slightly bigger build than Akinfenwa, but I can see why you'd mistake me for him. When do you fly out? VA or BA? (guessing former).

Looks like we can welcome Gundogan to Manchester.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11679/10301831/manchester-city-sign-ilkay-gundogan-from-borussia-dortmund

Tomorrow morning, Virgin from Gatters.

Excellent, I'm very jealous. Without wanting to pile pressure on your shoulders, but remember I'm a poor Yorkshireman when you have a decision for your MTT life this summer

[hhyftrftdr]

Spreading like wildfire that Aubameyang is soon to be announced. They are a bit delirious over at Blue Moon

[Archer]

Lovely post.
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Kind words   Enjoy your trip. I don't think there is much doubt that you will.

[Archer]

Spreading like wildfire that Aubameyang is soon to be announced. They are a bit delirious over at Blue Moon

Sounds good to me if it happens. He is no Ibra tho...

 

[hhyftrftdr]

A great prospect and hopefully gets some game time under Pep. Would be mortified if we shelled out £40m or whatever on Stones (whom I don't rate) over giving this lad a chance.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/08/jason-denayer-belgium-euro-2016-manchester-city

[Archer]

A great prospect and hopefully gets some game time under Pep. Would be mortified if we shelled out £40m or whatever on Stones (whom I don't rate) over giving this lad a chance.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/08/jason-denayer-belgium-euro-2016-manchester-city

Think I disagree with you about Stones - if Pep wants him its good enough for me. But also want to see Denayer.

All being well Merlin  picks up his 100th cap on Monday afternoon and only the 11th Spanish player to reach that landmark. I'm greedy and hopes he gets a hatrick because he only needs 3 goals to go joint 5th in the all-time goalscorer table for Spanish internations. I was amazed when I saw that because we don't really associate him with goals.

[hhyftrftdr]

A great prospect and hopefully gets some game time under Pep. Would be mortified if we shelled out £40m or whatever on Stones (whom I don't rate) over giving this lad a chance.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/08/jason-denayer-belgium-euro-2016-manchester-city

Think I disagree with you about Stones - if Pep wants him its good enough for me. But also want to see Denayer.

All being well Merlin  picks up his 100th cap on Monday afternoon and only the 11th Spanish player to reach that landmark. I'm greedy and hopes he gets a hatrick because he only needs 3 goals to go joint 5th in the all-time goalscorer table for Spanish internations. I was amazed when I saw that because we don't really associate him with goals.

The couple of times I've seen Stones at Eastland I've really not been impressed. He'll look the part for 25 minutes and then do a couple of sloppy mistakes. He's very comfortable on the ball but sometimes a little too comfortable! Obv I trust Pep implicitly but would really like to see Denayer given a chance, and hoping he starts for Belgium tonight too.

Does Silva have another tournament in him? I guess it depends on this niggling ankle problem, if he can shake it off I could see him making Russia 2018 his swansong.