Is this ever justified?

[Longines]

Was in a live cash game last night and a big pot developed. Player A bet 250bb on the turn, player B went allin for 650bb. After maybe 3 minutes player B called for the clock. I don't play that often and only low stakes - never seen it called in 10+ years of playing.

Somewhat ironically, player B was 'that' one who for the previous four hours had to be frequently reminded that the action was on him.

Apart from 'my last train home leaves in 30 minutes, you've been tanking for the last 10', I'd never call the clock on anyone else in a cash game.

Thoughts?

[Honeybadger]

According to the rules Player B has the right to call the clock. But that doesn't make it right.

I've never called the clock on anyone, ever. I can see how it could be justified in a tournament, especially if someone is constantly stalling. But in a cash game I don't think I will ever do it. Maybe I'll prove myself wrong at some point though.

Btw, Player A should learn to plan his hands better. When he bets over 2/5 of the effective stack on the turn he should already know what he is doing vs a jam. 250bbs is a lot of money to bet without a plan.

[SuuPRlim]

I've played a hell of a lot of live poker and have never had called or called the clock

[david3103]

According to the rules Player B has the right to call the clock. But that doesn't make it right.

I've never called the clock on anyone, ever. I can see how it could be justified in a tournament, especially if someone is constantly stalling. But in a cash game I don't think I will ever do it. Maybe I'll prove myself wrong at some point though.

Btw, Player A should learn to plan his hands better. When he bets over 2/5 of the effective stack on the turn he should already know what he is doing vs a jam. 250bbs is a lot of money to bet without a plan.

An oft-repeated piece of advice which somehow is equally often ignored.

[DungBeetle]

Was in a live cash game last night and a big pot developed. Player A bet 250bb on the turn, player B went allin for 650bb. After maybe 3 minutes player B called for the clock. I don't play that often and only low stakes - never seen it called in 10+ years of playing.

Somewhat ironically, player B was 'that' one who for the previous four hours had to be frequently reminded that the action was on him.

Apart from 'my last train home leaves in 30 minutes, you've been tanking for the last 10', I'd never call the clock on anyone else in a cash game.

Thoughts?

Absolutely justified.  Poker is a game and Player A having to think for minutes on end spoils the fun.  Stick your chips in and spin the wheel imo.  Or fold so we can gamble again quicker.

[StuartHopkin]

Was in a live cash game last night and a big pot developed. Player A bet 250bb on the turn, player B went allin for 650bb. After maybe 3 minutes player B called for the clock. I don't play that often and only low stakes - never seen it called in 10+ years of playing.

Somewhat ironically, player B was 'that' one who for the previous four hours had to be frequently reminded that the action was on him.

Apart from 'my last train home leaves in 30 minutes, you've been tanking for the last 10', I'd never call the clock on anyone else in a cash game.

Thoughts?

Absolutely justified.  Poker is a game and Player A having to think for minutes on end spoils the fun.  Stick your chips in and spin the wheel imo.  Or fold so we can gamble again quicker.

I agree
Floor should always check the player had had reasonable time, but apart from that I don't see anything wrong with it at all.

There is no justification for taking ages apart from the fact you haven't really thought it through, maybe if more people called clocks in cash games it would teach people to think about their actions more and keep the games moving!

[tonytats]

Depends if you're a regular tanker with me you get 2 minutes
You don't get that long on the Internet

[George2Loose]

Think it's fine when you're in the hand to call clock. Levels on levels innit

[AndrewT]

Was in a live cash game last night and a big pot developed. Player A bet 250bb on the turn, player B went allin for 650bb. After maybe 3 minutes player B called for the clock. I don't play that often and only low stakes - never seen it called in 10+ years of playing.

Somewhat ironically, player B was 'that' one who for the previous four hours had to be frequently reminded that the action was on him.

Apart from 'my last train home leaves in 30 minutes, you've been tanking for the last 10', I'd never call the clock on anyone else in a cash game.

Thoughts?

Absolutely justified.  Poker is a game and Player A having to think for minutes on end spoils the fun.  Stick your chips in and spin the wheel imo.  Or fold so we can gamble again quicker.

Exactly - Players C, D, E & F didn't come out to the game to watch someone think all night.

[BangBang]

Justified? Not sure.

Did player B have the right to do it? 100% is was actually over 5 minutes before the clock was called and took the floor staff another 2 minutes to come over, which is a lot of time by any standard.

The hand was bizarre because the turn bet that player A made was to pot commit himself in the first place, once player B went all in, player A played the tanking game it was to be fair was a big decision; for a big pot in a 1-2 game, but nevertheless nothing really should have changed that significantly to make player A tank for so long.

It was a big pot and player B only called the clock after player A gave him the damning info of "I have 5's full, any good?" I personally would never have called the clock, but player B had every right to.

Pretty bad etiquette, but so is tanking for 7 minutes and having conversations with yourself... 

[Longines]

Hi Steve, I agree that player A seemed to butcher the hand, just felt that in a pretty big hand for 1/2 he hadn't taken a ridiculous amount of time; long, yes but not OTT.

Maybe because I'm a rec I see it differently - not that fussed about getting 3 extra hands an hour, I play infrequently enough that I'm just as entertained by the table talk, player dynamics and watching someone wrestle with a big decision. Also means I have less time to butcher playing Kings from the button and have the pros tap on the glass

[Royal Flush]

I've played a hell of a lot of live poker and have never had called or called the clock

I call the clock nearly every day i play poker.

[Doobs]

So we have a fella who bets £500 and then has no idea what to do when somebody shoves for £1300? 

And we want to do something that might piss him off?

Does he call more or less often if we call the clock on him?  I assume we must think he calls more often to risk losing him from the game.  Is that right? 

[The Camel]

I've played a hell of a lot of live poker and have never had called or called the clock

I call the clock nearly every day i play poker.

In the old days I never called the clock.

But decided about 5 years ago that I wasted enough of my life being bored to tearswhile a geezer makes the most trivially easy decision.

So now I call it regularly when I judge someone is wasting time unnecessarily.

[Royal Flush]

I've played a hell of a lot of live poker and have never had called or called the clock

I call the clock nearly every day i play poker.

In the old days I never called the clock.

But decided about 5 years ago that I wasted enough of my life being bored to tearswhile a geezer makes the most trivially easy decision.

So now I call it regularly when I judge someone is wasting time unnecessarily.

I've been playing a cash game recently with a very small player pool consisting of 90% recs, they all play fast and have fun, stakes aren't big enough to hurt anyone properly. The other day there were 2 'pros' in the game. To give you an idea I'm the youngest in the game by 10 years, they these 2 guys sat down early 20's with hoodies and headphones, they proceed to play an 8 minute hand where one of them opened the other 3b and then cb flop and turn to which opener folded, EIGHT MINUTES!!!!

In the time of the hand 2 of the punters actually just left to go play roulette, they did come back 30 mins later but I thought surely these guys would have thought to themselves how bad this was for the game. I took my opportunity over the next few hours to speak to them discreetly and said how I saw it to them both, they started off talking about how they play a lot together so were thinking about various lines they could take etc etc I asked how much they expect to win off each other through the course of a year (obviously impossible to answer) I then asked how much they expect to win off the fish, obviously the figure would be a lot higher, I pointed out the 2 departures and suggested maybe if they gave up a small edge on each other by acting in a quick fashion it would almost certainly increase their profits. To be fair to them they both admitted they had never thought about it before and agreed to play faster.

Since then the game flows much faster, the fish are happier and we can all win more.

Although I sense they 3b me now just to fuck with me