Happy Mondays

[AndrewT]

The only real question is - which gets more punters through the door?

There's your answer for which is better.

[tikay]

Tbh, I imagine most people prefer a Sunday finish. From the pros POV it doesn't matter too much either way, although as bergeroo said if you're going to miss a Sunday for a live tournament it's probably better that it's a tournament that's already a deep run. Certainly for me, these Monday/Tuesday day 2/3s are a pain because it has to fit around work, and I would prefer it if I could turn up on the Friday night, play a day 1 and then (hopefully) play day 2 Sat and day 3 Sun. Also I imagine from the pros pov, if finishing on Sunday invites more recreational players to come along then it's got to be a good thing, and since the atmosphere atm is very much about making the game as accessible as possible for the recreational players I'm surprised to see the move to midweek finishes.

That rather misses the point - see Argue's replies.

The WHOLE IDEA is to see if a Monday finish would make the event more accessible for recreational players. Bear in mind, 1,000 runner event, how many recreatiional players will need to turn up on Monday for a 9 player Final Table?

[tikay]

Got an interesting (?)  question for you to step on.

Traditionally, Live Festival Main Events (assume a 4 day event with a guarantee of around £1 million) finish on a Sunday, with Days A & B on Thursday & Friday.

UKIPT now make 1a & 1b Friday & Saturday, with Day 2 Sunday, & the Final on Monday.

Is this better - for most - than the traditional Sunday finish?

Assuming a 1,000 runner field, 1% - 10 players - would need to return on Monday, & if that included recreationals, the chance of a 6 figure payday must surely be worth a day off work? Pros would not be too fussed either way, presumably?

At the front end of the Event, Days A & B move from Thurs/Fri, to Fri/Sat, so it is one day less off work, or even no days off at all.

Pros & cons, & why, yes please.   

Very nice, son. You're dirty.

Deduct one point, you missed the other Happy Mondays song title in the OP.

Get that, & Bob's yer uncle.

[tikay]

The only real question is - which gets more punters through the door?

There's your answer for which is better.

And that is exactly what the question is about.

[AlunB]

Too many other factors in play to say well if this one gets more than the last one then it's fixed it. But I would guess, based on nothing other than people I know who fit the rec model, that Sat-Mon is more appealing than Fri-Sun.

[GreekStein]

Tbh, I imagine most people prefer a Sunday finish. From the pros POV it doesn't matter too much either way, although as bergeroo said if you're going to miss a Sunday for a live tournament it's probably better that it's a tournament that's already a deep run. Certainly for me, these Monday/Tuesday day 2/3s are a pain because it has to fit around work, and I would prefer it if I could turn up on the Friday night, play a day 1 and then (hopefully) play day 2 Sat and day 3 Sun. Also I imagine from the pros pov, if finishing on Sunday invites more recreational players to come along then it's got to be a good thing, and since the atmosphere atm is very much about making the game as accessible as possible for the recreational players I'm surprised to see the move to midweek finishes.

That rather misses the point - see Argue's replies.

The WHOLE IDEA is to see if a Monday finish would make the event more accessible for recreational players. Bear in mind, 1,000 runner event, how many recreatiional players will need to turn up on Monday for a 9 player Final Table?

You and Arbboy seem to both be missing the point imo.

It's not about the fact that only 9 of the 1000 runners will have to play the final on monday. It's about the fact that every single one of the runners will have to be prepared to play it on a monday. With a full time job that's not very easy at all.

[AlunB]

Got an interesting (?)  question for you to step on.

Traditionally, Live Festival Main Events (assume a 4 day event with a guarantee of around £1 million) finish on a Sunday, with Days A & B on Thursday & Friday.

UKIPT now make 1a & 1b Friday & Saturday, with Day 2 Sunday, & the Final on Monday.

Is this better - for most - than the traditional Sunday finish?

Assuming a 1,000 runner field, 1% - 10 players - would need to return on Monday, & if that included recreationals, the chance of a 6 figure payday must surely be worth a day off work? Pros would not be too fussed either way, presumably?

At the front end of the Event, Days A & B move from Thurs/Fri, to Fri/Sat, so it is one day less off work, or even no days off at all.

Pros & cons, & why, yes please.   

Very nice, son. You're dirty.

Deduct one point, you missed the other Happy Mondays song title in the OP.

Get that, & Bob's yer uncle.

Do I get extra points for realising it's an album title not a song title. And a crap album at that?

[GreekStein]

This situation happened to a professional gambler and highly esteemed blonde.

He had a good steady job and had made a final on a day he was scheduled to be working. No worries, just do a sickie he thought.

He went on to win the £500 final table in Bristol for a cool £36,750.

His work found out and he was sacked.

His name was Neil Blatchley.

[tikay]

Tbh, I imagine most people prefer a Sunday finish. From the pros POV it doesn't matter too much either way, although as bergeroo said if you're going to miss a Sunday for a live tournament it's probably better that it's a tournament that's already a deep run. Certainly for me, these Monday/Tuesday day 2/3s are a pain because it has to fit around work, and I would prefer it if I could turn up on the Friday night, play a day 1 and then (hopefully) play day 2 Sat and day 3 Sun. Also I imagine from the pros pov, if finishing on Sunday invites more recreational players to come along then it's got to be a good thing, and since the atmosphere atm is very much about making the game as accessible as possible for the recreational players I'm surprised to see the move to midweek finishes.

That rather misses the point - see Argue's replies.

The WHOLE IDEA is to see if a Monday finish would make the event more accessible for recreational players. Bear in mind, 1,000 runner event, how many recreatiional players will need to turn up on Monday for a 9 player Final Table?

You and Arbboy seem to both be missing the point imo.

It's not about the fact that only 9 of the 1000 runners will have to play the final on monday. It's about the fact that every single one of the runners will have to be prepared to play it on a monday. With a full time job that's not very easy at all.

Hence the question. I don't believe the answer is clear cut either way. It's a thinking out loud exercise.  On balance, I think the Monday option is not without merit.

[HutchGF]

Not many jobs work like that any more

Just ringing the boss up late Sunday to say you need the Monday of is not a reality in 95% of jobs

Pulling a sickie once in twenty years on a day you might win £60k isn't the biggest crime in the world in order to avoid using half your holiday allowances every year to play day 1's of these comps. 

Not trying to pick a fight, but this is completely unacceptable to me. A lot of people take a lot of pride in what they do and wouldn't be prepared to put extra strain on their colleagues by behaving in such an unprofessional manner. Hence why I and many other recs won't play any comp that doesn't finish on a Sunday.

[arbboy]

Tbh, I imagine most people prefer a Sunday finish. From the pros POV it doesn't matter too much either way, although as bergeroo said if you're going to miss a Sunday for a live tournament it's probably better that it's a tournament that's already a deep run. Certainly for me, these Monday/Tuesday day 2/3s are a pain because it has to fit around work, and I would prefer it if I could turn up on the Friday night, play a day 1 and then (hopefully) play day 2 Sat and day 3 Sun. Also I imagine from the pros pov, if finishing on Sunday invites more recreational players to come along then it's got to be a good thing, and since the atmosphere atm is very much about making the game as accessible as possible for the recreational players I'm surprised to see the move to midweek finishes.

That rather misses the point - see Argue's replies.

The WHOLE IDEA is to see if a Monday finish would make the event more accessible for recreational players. Bear in mind, 1,000 runner event, how many recreatiional players will need to turn up on Monday for a 9 player Final Table?

You and Arbboy seem to both be missing the point imo.

It's not about the fact that only 9 of the 1000 runners will have to play the final on monday. It's about the fact that every single one of the runners will have to be prepared to play it on a monday. With a full time job that's not very easy at all.

I totally get that point.  The flip side everyone is missing is that recs who play one of these ten months of the year will waste 10 days holiday a year to play the day one on the Friday so they can finish on the Sunday. Over twenty years they will make one final on average so waste 200 days holiday over twenty years when if the event finished on Monday they would only have to book one day off work albeit last minute and probably have to sweeten up their boss to make it happen.  There is a huge upside of playing on Monday which everyone else apart from me is not taking into account.

[The Camel]

You'd have to be some sort of a tosser of a boss not to let an employee take a days holiday to play a FT where they could win £50k or whatever.

[arbboy]

You'd have to be some sort of a tosser of a boss not to let an employee take a days holiday to play a FT where they could win £50k or whatever.

This

[HutchGF]

Tbh, I imagine most people prefer a Sunday finish. From the pros POV it doesn't matter too much either way, although as bergeroo said if you're going to miss a Sunday for a live tournament it's probably better that it's a tournament that's already a deep run. Certainly for me, these Monday/Tuesday day 2/3s are a pain because it has to fit around work, and I would prefer it if I could turn up on the Friday night, play a day 1 and then (hopefully) play day 2 Sat and day 3 Sun. Also I imagine from the pros pov, if finishing on Sunday invites more recreational players to come along then it's got to be a good thing, and since the atmosphere atm is very much about making the game as accessible as possible for the recreational players I'm surprised to see the move to midweek finishes.

That rather misses the point - see Argue's replies.

The WHOLE IDEA is to see if a Monday finish would make the event more accessible for recreational players. Bear in mind, 1,000 runner event, how many recreatiional players will need to turn up on Monday for a 9 player Final Table?

You and Arbboy seem to both be missing the point imo.

It's not about the fact that only 9 of the 1000 runners will have to play the final on monday. It's about the fact that every single one of the runners will have to be prepared to play it on a monday. With a full time job that's not very easy at all.

This is exactly it. No point entering an event if you can't play the final table! Might as well set fire to your dough instead.

[arbboy]

Tbh, I imagine most people prefer a Sunday finish. From the pros POV it doesn't matter too much either way, although as bergeroo said if you're going to miss a Sunday for a live tournament it's probably better that it's a tournament that's already a deep run. Certainly for me, these Monday/Tuesday day 2/3s are a pain because it has to fit around work, and I would prefer it if I could turn up on the Friday night, play a day 1 and then (hopefully) play day 2 Sat and day 3 Sun. Also I imagine from the pros pov, if finishing on Sunday invites more recreational players to come along then it's got to be a good thing, and since the atmosphere atm is very much about making the game as accessible as possible for the recreational players I'm surprised to see the move to midweek finishes.

That rather misses the point - see Argue's replies.

The WHOLE IDEA is to see if a Monday finish would make the event more accessible for recreational players. Bear in mind, 1,000 runner event, how many recreatiional players will need to turn up on Monday for a 9 player Final Table?

You and Arbboy seem to both be missing the point imo.

It's not about the fact that only 9 of the 1000 runners will have to play the final on monday. It's about the fact that every single one of the runners will have to be prepared to play it on a monday. With a full time job that's not very easy at all.

This is exactly it. No point entering an event if you can't play the final table! Might as well set fire to your dough instead.

I appreciate that so you have no other option but to set fire to all those holidays if you are in a profession which has no flexibility like teaching etc.  I am sure the majority of people across all professions could easily get a Monday off last minute if they were in this situation once every twenty years.  For most recs it will happen once in their lifetime.