Happy Mondays

[arbboy]

I am always working on the assumption that this would happen once in your working life as I have said from that start.  A one off surely isn't that bad?

You are working on assumption, so you are already incorrect.

Oh arron!!!! You are Mr results orientated you can be this week with a 7/1 winner,

I suppose being a 7/1 winner is much better than giving rep to someone who is about to grim grim grim!

It is if you forget about all your losers!  Fancy meeting for a beer before the Stoke sw game? I can show you around the billionaire small epl club.  I might even pay for your ticket.

[aaron1867]

I am always working on the assumption that this would happen once in your working life as I have said from that start.  A one off surely isn't that bad?

You are working on assumption, so you are already incorrect.

Oh arron!!!! You are Mr results orientated you can be this week with a 7/1 winner,

I suppose being a 7/1 winner is much better than giving rep to someone who is about to grim grim grim!

It is if you forget about all your losers!  Fancy meeting for a beer before the Stoke sw game? I can show you around the billionaire small epl club.  I might even pay for your ticket.

No mate, struggling to trust you. especially after the #redarmi gate.

Good night.

[arbboy]

I am always working on the assumption that this would happen once in your working life as I have said from that start.  A one off surely isn't that bad?

You are working on assumption, so you are already incorrect.

Oh arron!!!! You are Mr results orientated you can be this week with a 7/1 winner,

I suppose being a 7/1 winner is much better than giving rep to someone who is about to grim grim grim!

It is if you forget about all your losers!  Fancy meeting for a beer before the Stoke sw game? I can show you around the billionaire small epl club.  I might even pay for your ticket.

No mate, struggling to trust you. especially after the #redarmi gate.

Good night.

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You were moaning the tickets were too expensive a minute ago.  I offer to pay and entertain you and you still say no. Shame.  Will have to put up with Wednesday's other blonde fan rutter instead. He won't turn me down.

Hope he dresses up as big bird as usual.

[Doobs]

I don't think it is even just a poker thing, it is a lack of notice thing. 

I am never ringing my boss on Monday to let him know I am on my way to the Centre Court at Wimbledon.  It is just wrong in my eyes.  It is absolutely fine having a day off to go to Wimbledon or play poker if I give him/her a week or so's notice.  It isn't fine if I just assume he is OK with it and just go anyway.  I say this as somebody who has employed people, been self employed and been an employee.   If you have something planned, book a day off or an afternoon off.  If you'd been doing extra hours, I may even let you have the afternoon off gratis.   


     

[The Camel]

I don't think it is even just a poker thing, it is a lack of notice thing.  

I am never ringing my boss on Monday to let him know I am on my way to the Centre Court at Wimbledon.  It is just wrong in my eyes.  It is absolutely fine having a day off to go to Wimbledon or play poker if I give him/her a week or so's notice.  It isn't fine if I just assume he is OK with it and just go anyway.  I say this as somebody who has employed people, been self employed and been an employee.   If you have something planned, book a day off or an afternoon off.  If you'd been doing extra hours, I may even let you have the afternoon off gratis.  

 

So a friend who has two tickets to see Federer v Nadal in the qtr finals of Wimbledon finds he can't go and offers you the tickets, you don't even contemplate phoning your boss and explaining the chance you've got?

I'd be more scared of pissing off my missus by turning them down than my boss for accepting!

[OverTheBorder]

The issue is notice and expectation. I often ask for Friday's off cause I want to play poker, sometimes on the Wednesday/Thursday. I have no issue doing that as A I know I am not busy and if shit drops I can cancel the poker and B my boss is being asked in advance not when it is very difficult to say no.

I would not enjoy a tournament if success equalled an awkward call to work in the morning so I just wouldn't play them. I sometimes do but I would pre book Monday off or book a "Maybe holiday" whereby I say I have something on but if plans change I might be in Monday. I would never enter a comp unless I had this in the bag.

Bottom line if you want to succeed in life, you have to make sensible decisions. If it was for a million quid, perhaps, but for 50k up top and as low as £2-3k hardly seems worth risking your job.

Since realising I can't make a go of poker and cutting it back, my prospects at work have gone up significantly. Sleeping 7 hours, and appearing like you care does help!

[nirvana]

Some bosses and firms deserve to be lied to like they are every day without realising it if they couldn't happily give someone a day off in this situation.

This is getting silly.

What do you expect from Arbboy?

Realism in the real world and a two way mutually beneficial arrangement where looking after employees in times like this will lock in their loyalty long term and save smart companies big staff turnover.  

Employment is a two way street. If you are not flexible as a firm you lose your best guys,  you will always retain the losers because no one else wants them similar to nirvana said previously,  sure his posts were a level but I actually agree with them.

Suppose it all comes back to how good you are at your job and whether you know your relative power. Most people here sound like they are workers in communist Russia.

The reality is people will and do lie to their yes men bosses on a daily and weekly basis whilst striving to be the same yes man boss further down the line themselves.  It would be much better to not have to do it but that's the way the world works if you buy into it.

It wasn't a level, I find myself mostly in agreement with you on this.

I can't believe how people concern themselves so much with the impression they give - I assume it's fear of losing the job.

Fundamentally, outside perhaps of a philanthropic private organisation, the job of any shareholder driven enterprise is to find a way to fire you or at very best, curb your rewards to a point where you must be being exploited. I'm not really bothered about this but that is the construct. So, people are right to be aware the employer is trying to fire them every day but should develop ways of not caring about this - ie being very employable or better still, in charge of their own destiny

As a result, I have very mixed feelings about loyalty. Because I choose to subscribe to the above nonsense I am happy to work hard when hard work is required and I am happy to give the best input I am capable of in any given situation. I will often work extra hours, quite often pop in on a day off.  But I don't feel remotely loyal in the sense I t think it has been used in this thread - that would be ridiculous. If they walked in tomorrow and asked me to leave I'd collect my pen and be gone in 60 seconds with a 'good game & good bye'

[HutchGF]

You are utterly clueless Arb.  The valuable employees you talk about are valuable exactly because they don't make stupid life decisions like entering a poker tournament that they can't final without causing people problems.

This wins as far as I'm concerned, although I wouldn't suggest for a second Arb is clueless but maybe a little naive in this situation. To give a specific example, I am Head of Chemistry at a private school in the North of England. I'm sure you'll agree that:

1. Parents at the school I work at are paying 30k a year for their's children's education. They have a right to expect their children to be taught by a subject specialist to the highest standard possible.

2. The pupils in my care have a right to have a lesson taught by me and not a non-specialist, cover supervisor.

3. The staff who work for me in my department have a right to have my expertise present to deal with any issues that arise during the day.

4. The Governors and Head who appointed me to to the job have a right to demand professionalism, dedication and focus.

5. My teaching colleagues have a right to concentrate on their own classes and not have to deal with mine.

6. The lab technicians who have spent significant time preparing resources, solutions and equipment for my practical lessons have a right to have their efforts valued by me and the pupils by being used and not left on the side.



I absolutely do not have a right to ask for a day off in term time for poker, certainly not in the morning no matter how much money is at stake. Hence why I would never enter a tournament that finalled on a Monday in term time.

I don't mean to come across as self-righteous or arrogant, but I value my job and care about the success of my pupils.

[AlunB]

The issue is notice and expectation. I often ask for Friday's off cause I want to play poker, sometimes on the Wednesday/Thursday. I have no issue doing that as A I know I am not busy and if shit drops I can cancel the poker and B my boss is being asked in advance not when it is very difficult to say no.

I would not enjoy a tournament if success equalled an awkward call to work in the morning so I just wouldn't play them. I sometimes do but I would pre book Monday off or book a "Maybe holiday" whereby I say I have something on but if plans change I might be in Monday. I would never enter a comp unless I had this in the bag.

Bottom line if you want to succeed in life, you have to make sensible decisions. If it was for a million quid, perhaps, but for 50k up top and as low as £2-3k hardly seems worth risking your job.

Since realising I can't make a go of poker and cutting it back, my prospects at work have gone up significantly. Sleeping 7 hours, and appearing like you care does help!

This is probably the most sensible summary so far.

I've worked in a lot of offices and can honestly say it's not nearly half as big a drama as some people are making out if someone takes a day off with short notice.

Has nobody ever been sick where you work? It just makes that day a bit busier and more stressful.

[arbboy]

You are utterly clueless Arb.  The valuable employees you talk about are valuable exactly because they don't make stupid life decisions like entering a poker tournament that they can't final without causing people problems.

This wins as far as I'm concerned, although I wouldn't suggest for a second Arb is clueless but maybe a little naive in this situation. To give a specific example, I am Head of Chemistry at a private school in the North of England. I'm sure you'll agree that:

1. Parents at the school I work at are paying 30k a year for their's children's education. They have a right to expect their children to be taught by a subject specialist to the highest standard possible.

2. The pupils in my care have a right to have a lesson taught by me and not a non-specialist, cover supervisor.

3. The staff who work for me in my department have a right to have my expertise present to deal with any issues that arise during the day.

4. The Governors and Head who appointed me to to the job have a right to demand professionalism, dedication and focus.

5. My teaching colleagues have a right to concentrate on their own classes and not have to deal with mine.

6. The lab technicians who have spent significant time preparing resources, solutions and equipment for my practical lessons have a right to have their efforts valued by me and the pupils by being used and not left on the side.



I absolutely do not have a right to ask for a day off in term time for poker, certainly not in the morning no matter how much money is at stake. Hence why I would never enter a tournament that finalled on a Monday in term time.

I don't mean to come across as self-righteous or arrogant, but I value my job and care about the success of my pupils.

You don't at all and you are in one of the type of jobs (in the minority of people which i initially said) who realistically can't take a day off like this at short notice. 

As Alan says the vast majority of people on here are creating a massive drama out of something which in a lot of cases (not yours) wouldn't make a great deal of difference to their company or their fellow workers Monday at work.

[Woodsey]

I guess employees know nothing and the non workers know everything then lol.

[arbboy]

I guess employees know nothing and the non workers know everything then lol.

I wouldn't say that.  I would say a lot of workers are naturally more risk averse and over estimate the damage something small like this has to their 'rep' at work.

[AlunB]

I guess employees know nothing and the non workers know everything then lol.

I've managed a few who are both in my time

[Woodsey]

I guess employees know nothing and the non workers know everything then lol.

I wouldn't say that.  I would say a lot of workers are naturally more risk averse and over estimate the damage something small like this has to their 'rep' at work.

Anyway, how do you find time for gambling in between all this arguing on the Internet? 

[arbboy]

I guess employees know nothing and the non workers know everything then lol.

I wouldn't say that.  I would say a lot of workers are naturally more risk averse and over estimate the damage something small like this has to their 'rep' at work.

Anyway, how do you find time for gambling in between all this arguing on the Internet? 

Non worker woodsey!  You said it.  Just off to Uttox races for the day.  No holiday needed last minute either.  Phoned the boss up and like the del monte man he said yes!