Happy Mondays

[The_nun]

Will she get fined.

[david3103]

Will she get fined.

She won't get paid.

[The_nun]

That goes without saying but will she get fined?.

[cambridgealex]

Rob reaction to the overlay:

"The WPT 500 got 1613 runners, almost 400 short of the Wpt wanted to run the WPT 500 into the WPT Main Event this year to cut down on expenses for players who wanted to play both. We have got our biggest numbers running UKIPTs into a Monday for final table so I thought having day 1s on Sat and Sun would be popular and offset any losses in players who couldn't take mon-tue off V thu Fri. However - the maths from the data is simple. - 2014 475 re-entries out of 2133 runners, this time - zero. We also qualified 100 less players as we didn't do the WPT 125 weekends at club beforehand. We had 1000 DTD players per day on I poker - we have 600-800 on partypoker. Add these factors up with no uplift in unique players and you get 400 short on numbers and sat overlays. I'd love the reasons to be times / scheduling as that's such as easy fix - but that's wishful thinking I'm afraid. Clearly my decision to change to no re-entry has backfired on last 2 big events at club - same uniques but less money in prizepool. In terms of more DTD online to play sats - that's heading in right direction and is going up + 100 per day each month we are on partypoker - so that will solve itself in time for the next big event - UKPC. In terms of asking for feedback - in all my life I have never known a business like DTD that listens to players - sometimes to our detriment. options are lower GTEs or get more DTD players into PP to qualify more players. My error was to think we would get an uplift in unique players to offset re-entries and that didn't happen, we just got the same players as last year, so clearly you don't get any more players by trying to make the experience fairer, probably because that's just how big the market is at £500, we have maxed it out. At £1M you need to qualify 1000 unique players or pad the prizepool with re-entries from the wealthier players - or drop the GTE of course.

[AlunB]

So after all that the answer was it makes sod all difference? Brilliant.

Using my memory I seem to think the only two things that ever seem to make a big difference are a) mainstream TV coverage and b) PokerStars satellites

[cambridgealex]

Well it's stopping re-entries that have fked it he reckons.

Ppl complain about it but still play anyway.

Bring them back I say, stopping them clearly don't increase uniques.

[AlunB]

Yeah as his target punter I'm minded to agree. I don't really care that much and gives me something to whinge about when I get knocked out.

[TL900]

Or just swallow your ego/pride and lower the unachievable guarantees? I really dont think the "big numbers" attract many more players than would play already especially in the £500-£1000 buyin range (i think the big numbers are good ideas for things like the grand prix and stuff) but I think if you slap a £500k/750k guarantee on the WPT500 (which is still bigger than usual weekly/monthly guarantees) and do all the online satellite work etc youre already doing you still get roughly the same number of runners as you do with a £1m gte.

I cringe everytime I see a post on here or on facebook about overlay and then a follow up moaning at community/feeling sorry for yourselves for not reaching the guarantee when in alot of cases I really think the guarantee is unachievable before youve even started. Overlays are happening on a regular occurance, maybe its time to wake up and smell the coffee instead of just setting money on fire?

[arbboy]

Well it's stopping re-entries that have fked it he reckons.

Ppl complain about it but still play anyway.

Bring them back I say, stopping them clearly don't increase uniques.

A lot of people will always play when you give away hundreds of seats in Sats with big overlays to make the uniques look the same alongside forcing all your low stakes regs who have cashed in any comp in the last three months to play an event they probably don't want to with part of their winnings.  Giving away hundreds of seats because overlays are going to be huge means certain people will still play even though they don't like re entries because they are value whores even though any added money they get from the overlay is usually just eaten up in exes so they are no better off and they are potentially tied into more multi day exes/days off work if they top 50 because they are then forced to play a five day £2200 event.  

It is like a Ponzi scheme where you have to reach the top (ie cash the £2200 main event to ever fully realise your profit in full in cash without getting more and more expensive seats to play at every step on the ladder against harder and harder players to beat who you would never choose to play unless you were forced to) which for a standard reg is virtually impossible and highly time consuming in the real world.  Rob doesn't lose out in rake because of the overlays in the sats are lower and the rake for every seat is actually paid in full rather than being subsided by the big sat overlays to reach an impossible gtd.

Therefore the majority of the field are forced to play one way or the other whether there are re entries or not IMO therefore the number of uniques will never actually vary that much IMO.

[The Camel]

Or just swallow your ego/pride and lower the unachievable guarantees? I really dont think the "big numbers" attract many more players than would play already especially in the £500-£1000 buyin range (i think the big numbers are good ideas for things like the grand prix and stuff) but I think if you slap a £500k/750k guarantee on the WPT500 (which is still bigger than usual weekly/monthly guarantees) and do all the online satellite work etc youre already doing you still get roughly the same number of runners as you do with a £1m gte.

I cringe everytime I see a post on here or on facebook about overlay and then a follow up moaning at community/feeling sorry for yourselves for not reaching the guarantee when in alot of cases I really think the guarantee is unachievable before youve even started. Overlays are happening on a regular occurance, maybe its time to wake up and smell the coffee instead of just setting money on fire?

Pretty much this.

For the first few years, every time Rob sent out the rallying call to drum up players to try and make a guarantee, I duly dropped everything if I could and made the journey to play.

Now, as it seems like every time there's a big festival people are being implored to play, I pretty much ignore it.

If I was planning on coming to DTD, I'll still come. But I won't make a special effort. It feels like I'm getting the blame for DTDs decision to make the huge guarantee.

I don't think any extra people play because there is a headline £1m guarantee, £500k is still more than enough to play for.

[The Camel]

I would much rather DTD lower their guarantees than allowed re entries again.

I massively applauded Rob's decision to stop re entries, I think that was a tremendous move for the good of poker.

[arbboy]

Or just swallow your ego/pride and lower the unachievable guarantees? I really dont think the "big numbers" attract many more players than would play already especially in the £500-£1000 buyin range (i think the big numbers are good ideas for things like the grand prix and stuff) but I think if you slap a £500k/750k guarantee on the WPT500 (which is still bigger than usual weekly/monthly guarantees) and do all the online satellite work etc youre already doing you still get roughly the same number of runners as you do with a £1m gte.

I cringe everytime I see a post on here or on facebook about overlay and then a follow up moaning at community/feeling sorry for yourselves for not reaching the guarantee when in alot of cases I really think the guarantee is unachievable before youve even started. Overlays are happening on a regular occurance, maybe its time to wake up and smell the coffee instead of just setting money on fire?

Pretty much this.

For the first few years, every time Rob sent out the rallying call to drum up players to try and make a guarantee, I duly dropped everything if I could and made the journey to play.

Now, as it seems like every time there's a big festival people are being implored to play, I pretty much ignore it.

If I was planning on coming to DTD, I'll still come. But I won't make a special effort. It feels like I'm getting the blame for DTDs decision to make the huge guarantee.

I don't think any extra people play because there is a headline £1m guarantee, £500k is still more than enough to play for.

two excellent posts

[EvilPie]

Well it's stopping re-entries that have fked it he reckons.

Ppl complain about it but still play anyway.

Bring them back I say, stopping them clearly don't increase uniques.

I thought re-entries were allowed just not in to the same day?

[DropTheHammer]

I would much rather DTD lower their guarantees than allowed re entries again.

I massively applauded Rob's decision to stop re entries, I think that was a tremendous move for the good of poker.

+1. Good post Camel.

[bobAlike]

I would much rather DTD lower their guarantees than allowed re entries again.

I massively applauded Rob's decision to stop re entries, I think that was a tremendous move for the good of poker.

2 sentences that I totally agree with.