Happy Mondays

[TightEnd]

is an issue that structures are too long anyway?

shorten clocks, lower starting stacks, chop a day (or more) off the tournament

Pros can have the extra time for online and/or live cash

Recs less time off work


or would this be seen as generally not "value for money"

isn't there at some point going to be a reaction (adverse) to sitting at a poker table for 10 hours a day for 5 days to win a festival type major tournament?

[cambridgealex]

Pros want recs in the field, but want long, 3 to 4 day structures.

Can't have your cake and eat it.

Surely there's a middle ground here?

Recs want Saturday start Sunday finish, but also want good structures, and big prizepools (they just do whatever ppl might say, no point arguing that a £1m gte gets the same runners as a £200k gte)

They also can't have their cake and eat it too

[George2Loose]

They've done big gtes good structures without it running mon and tues before. What's changed?

I also think if they hadn't qualified so many people there would've missed the guarantee by a few more than they did

[cambridgealex]

@tighty

The wpt500 structure was perfect imo, too short if anything. 40 min clock until 60 min final. 3 days, 50 players back for day 3 and it was over by 8pm roughly. Surely no-one wants a £1m gte comp to be squeezed into two days?

Agree it would be far better to have day 2 Saturday day 3 Sunday or as a compromise day 2 Sunday day 3 monday

[RED-DOG]

Think what Alex is saying is that most who have an opinion on re entries aren't now supporting the club and perhaps don't speak for those who were actually voting with their pocket and re entering.

I didn't play this comp due to mon day 2 tues day 3. A bizarre decision. Let's make it a level playing field by banning same day re entry but then make it inaccessible for a huge % of people who work for a living at a time of year when most probably don't have much annual leave left.

And +1 on the guarantee. It really doesn't make a difference whether this gte is a million or 500k. I wonder how much money was done in satties too?

Offer a sensible guarantee and even add money to the final 9 if u want to attract players?

The people who were re-entering were doing it to support the club? Really? How very altruistic of them.

Agree with the thoughts on Monday Tuesday issue and on the guarantees.

Sounds like Rob and the WPT need to make their flagship comp a 2 day freezeout, with day 1 Saturday, day 2 Sunday, fantastic structure, but must be finished by midnight, no re-entry, minimal late reg, with an easily achievable guarantee  

Does sarcasm make a better argument than patronisation?

[TightEnd]

@tighty

The wpt500 structure was perfect imo, too short if anything. 40 min clock until 60 min final. 3 days, 50 players back for day 3 and it was over by 8pm roughly. Surely no-one wants a £1m gte comp to be squeezed into two days?

Agree it would be far better to have day 2 Saturday day 3 Sunday or as a compromise day 2 Sunday day 3 monday

i think from reading Rob's comments that the WPT/PP crew wanted the 500 to run straight into the main

i also think, ref the camel's polint, that the size of the market is what it is in terms of attracting uniques. it might rise a bit or fall a bit but there simply aren't a few hundred extra people to pay £550 let alone £2200 to boost the numbers, though i gather that the flow through from Malta to Nottingham was less than anticipated this year 

[cambridgealex]

Think what Alex is saying is that most who have an opinion on re entries aren't now supporting the club and perhaps don't speak for those who were actually voting with their pocket and re entering.

I didn't play this comp due to mon day 2 tues day 3. A bizarre decision. Let's make it a level playing field by banning same day re entry but then make it inaccessible for a huge % of people who work for a living at a time of year when most probably don't have much annual leave left.

And +1 on the guarantee. It really doesn't make a difference whether this gte is a million or 500k. I wonder how much money was done in satties too?

Offer a sensible guarantee and even add money to the final 9 if u want to attract players?

The people who were re-entering were doing it to support the club? Really? How very altruistic of them.

Agree with the thoughts on Monday Tuesday issue and on the guarantees.

Sounds like Rob and the WPT need to make their flagship comp a 2 day freezeout, with day 1 Saturday, day 2 Sunday, fantastic structure, but must be finished by midnight, no re-entry, minimal late reg, with an easily achievable guarantee 

Does sarcasm make a better argument than patronisation?

Sarcasm is a form of wit, albeit a pretty low grade one. So yes, imo of course.

[RED-DOG]

Think what Alex is saying is that most who have an opinion on re entries aren't now supporting the club and perhaps don't speak for those who were actually voting with their pocket and re entering.

I didn't play this comp due to mon day 2 tues day 3. A bizarre decision. Let's make it a level playing field by banning same day re entry but then make it inaccessible for a huge % of people who work for a living at a time of year when most probably don't have much annual leave left.

And +1 on the guarantee. It really doesn't make a difference whether this gte is a million or 500k. I wonder how much money was done in satties too?

Offer a sensible guarantee and even add money to the final 9 if u want to attract players?

The people who were re-entering were doing it to support the club? Really? How very altruistic of them.

Agree with the thoughts on Monday Tuesday issue and on the guarantees.

Sounds like Rob and the WPT need to make their flagship comp a 2 day freezeout, with day 1 Saturday, day 2 Sunday, fantastic structure, but must be finished by midnight, no re-entry, minimal late reg, with an easily achievable guarantee 

Does sarcasm make a better argument than patronisation?

Sarcasm is a form of wit, albeit a pretty low grade one. So yes, imo of course.

And is your opinion to be taken with a pinch of salt, or is that just reserved for mine?

[AlunB]

@tighty

The wpt500 structure was perfect imo, too short if anything. 40 min clock until 60 min final. 3 days, 50 players back for day 3 and it was over by 8pm roughly. Surely no-one wants a £1m gte comp to be squeezed into two days?

Agree it would be far better to have day 2 Saturday day 3 Sunday or as a compromise day 2 Sunday day 3 monday

 

I'll take one day if you have it

[cambridgealex]

@tighty

The wpt500 structure was perfect imo, too short if anything. 40 min clock until 60 min final. 3 days, 50 players back for day 3 and it was over by 8pm roughly. Surely no-one wants a £1m gte comp to be squeezed into two days?

Agree it would be far better to have day 2 Saturday day 3 Sunday or as a compromise day 2 Sunday day 3 monday

 

I'll take one day if you have it

Should read "expects"

[cambridgealex]

Think what Alex is saying is that most who have an opinion on re entries aren't now supporting the club and perhaps don't speak for those who were actually voting with their pocket and re entering.

I didn't play this comp due to mon day 2 tues day 3. A bizarre decision. Let's make it a level playing field by banning same day re entry but then make it inaccessible for a huge % of people who work for a living at a time of year when most probably don't have much annual leave left.

And +1 on the guarantee. It really doesn't make a difference whether this gte is a million or 500k. I wonder how much money was done in satties too?

Offer a sensible guarantee and even add money to the final 9 if u want to attract players?

The people who were re-entering were doing it to support the club? Really? How very altruistic of them.

Agree with the thoughts on Monday Tuesday issue and on the guarantees.

Sounds like Rob and the WPT need to make their flagship comp a 2 day freezeout, with day 1 Saturday, day 2 Sunday, fantastic structure, but must be finished by midnight, no re-entry, minimal late reg, with an easily achievable guarantee 

Does sarcasm make a better argument than patronisation?

Sarcasm is a form of wit, albeit a pretty low grade one. So yes, imo of course.

And is your opinion to be taken with a pinch of salt, or is that just reserved for mine?

You can take it with a pinch of anything you like

[AlunB]

@tighty

The wpt500 structure was perfect imo, too short if anything. 40 min clock until 60 min final. 3 days, 50 players back for day 3 and it was over by 8pm roughly. Surely no-one wants a £1m gte comp to be squeezed into two days?

Agree it would be far better to have day 2 Saturday day 3 Sunday or as a compromise day 2 Sunday day 3 monday

 

I'll take one day if you have it

Should read "expects"

In all seriousness when it comes to recs the ideal structure is probably slow for first 5-6 levels then turbo. I'd argue most amateur players will make the biggest mistakes (and have the least fun) in the 20-50BB 20-40BB range in tournaments.

edit: range was too wide before

[RED-DOG]

Think what Alex is saying is that most who have an opinion on re entries aren't now supporting the club and perhaps don't speak for those who were actually voting with their pocket and re entering.

I didn't play this comp due to mon day 2 tues day 3. A bizarre decision. Let's make it a level playing field by banning same day re entry but then make it inaccessible for a huge % of people who work for a living at a time of year when most probably don't have much annual leave left.

And +1 on the guarantee. It really doesn't make a difference whether this gte is a million or 500k. I wonder how much money was done in satties too?

Offer a sensible guarantee and even add money to the final 9 if u want to attract players?

The people who were re-entering were doing it to support the club? Really? How very altruistic of them.

Agree with the thoughts on Monday Tuesday issue and on the guarantees.

Sounds like Rob and the WPT need to make their flagship comp a 2 day freezeout, with day 1 Saturday, day 2 Sunday, fantastic structure, but must be finished by midnight, no re-entry, minimal late reg, with an easily achievable guarantee 

Does sarcasm make a better argument than patronisation?

Sarcasm is a form of wit, albeit a pretty low grade one. So yes, imo of course.

And is your opinion to be taken with a pinch of salt, or is that just reserved for mine?

You can take it with a pinch of anything you like

Victoria's arse it is then. 

[edgascoigne]

Fri 1A - Noon - 9pm (pros and day offers)
Fri 1B - 6pm - 3am (busted pros, day offers and locals)
Sat 1C - 11am - 145pm (turbo) (tilted individuals listed above)
Sat Day 2 - 2pm - midnight
Sun Day 3 - Noon - close

Problem solved, non?

[RobS]

Fri 1A - Noon - 9pm (pros and day offers)
Fri 1B - 6pm - 3am (busted pros, day offers and locals)
Sat 1C - 11am - 145pm (turbo) (tilted individuals listed above)
Sat Day 2 - 2pm - midnight
Sun Day 3 - Noon - close

Problem solved, non?

Something like this is the best if all tournaments must have the same scheduling.

Surely it's ok to occasionally have a Monday/Tuesday finish, and it make sense in this case with the WPT Main starting on the Wednesday. Yes this means some people can't play, but plenty of other tournaments to choose from.

Agree largely with comments about the guarantee - if this WPT500 had a £750k guarantee it would be considered a success.

What I would change though is the 'must play' seats as part of the prizepool. Not only do recs need to have the Monday/Tuesday available to play, but also the rest of the week if they make the top 50. Can understand why DTD want to have seats to the next event as part of the prizepool, but I think everyone should have the option of receiving the equivalent amount of tournament credit instead.