Happy Mondays

[pleno1]

can't the final table be the week after on the saturday? everybody gets paid the minimum cash and then comes back well prepared, rested and ready to rumble

[muckthenuts]

can't the final table be the week after on the saturday? everybody gets paid the minimum cash and then comes back well prepared, rested and ready to rumble

Plus you could ensure you get your mates down to rail, make it a quality atmosphere for the stream too?

[AlunB]

can't the final table be the week after on the saturday? everybody gets paid the minimum cash and then comes back well prepared, rested and ready to rumble

Great idea

[nirvana]

The obvious factor everyone seems to be ignoring..

Poker is declining in popularity.

What do other people think of this point with respect to live poker - seems an interesting point to me.

At the local bowl level, that I still enjoy weekly, the rooms seem as well attended as ever.

Don't know if I'm typical though in the sense I won't travel to play larger comps any more as I've come to realise I'm shiz but still like to roffle around locally

[arbboy]

Fri 1A - Noon - 9pm (pros and day offers)
Fri 1B - 6pm - 3am (busted pros, day offers and locals)
Sat 1C - 11am - 145pm (turbo) (tilted individuals listed above)
Sat Day 2 - 2pm - midnight
Sun Day 3 - Noon - close

Problem solved, non?

Something like this is the best if all tournaments must have the same scheduling.

Surely it's ok to occasionally have a Monday/Tuesday finish, and it make sense in this case with the WPT Main starting on the Wednesday. Yes this means some people can't play, but plenty of other tournaments to choose from.

Agree largely with comments about the guarantee - if this WPT500 had a £750k guarantee it would be considered a success.

What I would change though is the 'must play' seats as part of the prizepool. Not only do recs need to have the Monday/Tuesday available to play, but also the rest of the week if they make the top 50. Can understand why DTD want to have seats to the next event as part of the prizepool, but I think everyone should have the option of receiving the equivalent amount of tournament credit instead.

Everyone should 100% have the option to be paid in cash in full when they bet in cash and win. If i have a £500 cash bet (the same as turning up to DTD to pay into the wpt £500 in cash which numerous punters do) on a 10/1 horse i don't get paid £4k in cash and £1k in betting vouchers which i must use in one bet and one bet only on a future race which the bookmaker decides and i have no say at all over how i can spend the £1k i have won.  I get paid £5000 in profit in cash and i have the 100% say on how i spend/reinvest that money i have won.  That is effectively what these seats being taking out of the prize pool are.  When you look at it like this i am amazed it actually isn't against gambling commission rules to pay out like this.

[The Camel]

Fri 1A - Noon - 9pm (pros and day offers)
Fri 1B - 6pm - 3am (busted pros, day offers and locals)
Sat 1C - 11am - 145pm (turbo) (tilted individuals listed above)
Sat Day 2 - 2pm - midnight
Sun Day 3 - Noon - close

Problem solved, non?

Something like this is the best if all tournaments must have the same scheduling.

Surely it's ok to occasionally have a Monday/Tuesday finish, and it make sense in this case with the WPT Main starting on the Wednesday. Yes this means some people can't play, but plenty of other tournaments to choose from.

Agree largely with comments about the guarantee - if this WPT500 had a £750k guarantee it would be considered a success.

What I would change though is the 'must play' seats as part of the prizepool. Not only do recs need to have the Monday/Tuesday available to play, but also the rest of the week if they make the top 50. Can understand why DTD want to have seats to the next event as part of the prizepool, but I think everyone should have the option of receiving the equivalent amount of tournament credit instead.

Everyone should 100% have the option to be paid in cash in full when they bet in cash and win. If i have a £500 cash bet (the same as turning up to DTD to pay into the wpt £500 in cash which numerous punters do) on a 10/1 horse i don't get paid £4k in cash and £1k in betting vouchers which i must use in one bet and one bet only on a future race which the bookmaker decides and i have no say at all over how i can spend the £1k i have won.  I get paid £5000 in profit in cash and i have the 100% say on how i spend/reinvest that money i have won.  That is effectively what these seats being taking out of the prize pool are.  When you look at it like this i am amazed it actually isn't against gambling commission rules to pay out like this.

Agree with Arb.

If they want people to reinvest their winnings in another tournament maybe give them an option of entering with a small discount if they do it immediately.

Recs won't be happy if they cash in a big tournament and lose a proportion of their winnings being forced to play a tournament they don't want to play.

[arbboy]

Fri 1A - Noon - 9pm (pros and day offers)
Fri 1B - 6pm - 3am (busted pros, day offers and locals)
Sat 1C - 11am - 145pm (turbo) (tilted individuals listed above)
Sat Day 2 - 2pm - midnight
Sun Day 3 - Noon - close

Problem solved, non?

Something like this is the best if all tournaments must have the same scheduling.

Surely it's ok to occasionally have a Monday/Tuesday finish, and it make sense in this case with the WPT Main starting on the Wednesday. Yes this means some people can't play, but plenty of other tournaments to choose from.

Agree largely with comments about the guarantee - if this WPT500 had a £750k guarantee it would be considered a success.

What I would change though is the 'must play' seats as part of the prizepool. Not only do recs need to have the Monday/Tuesday available to play, but also the rest of the week if they make the top 50. Can understand why DTD want to have seats to the next event as part of the prizepool, but I think everyone should have the option of receiving the equivalent amount of tournament credit instead.

Everyone should 100% have the option to be paid in cash in full when they bet in cash and win. If i have a £500 cash bet (the same as turning up to DTD to pay into the wpt £500 in cash which numerous punters do) on a 10/1 horse i don't get paid £4k in cash and £1k in betting vouchers which i must use in one bet and one bet only on a future race which the bookmaker decides and i have no say at all over how i can spend the £1k i have won.  I get paid £5000 in profit in cash and i have the 100% say on how i spend/reinvest that money i have won.  That is effectively what these seats being taking out of the prize pool are.  When you look at it like this i am amazed it actually isn't against gambling commission rules to pay out like this.

Agree with Arb.

If they want people to reinvest their winnings in another tournament maybe give them an option of entering with a small discount if they do it immediately.

Recs won't be happy if they cash in a big tournament and lose a proportion of their winnings being forced to play a tournament they don't want to play.

I am officially a rec now!  ty camel.

An amazing amount of recs i have spoke to since the seats started think they are ADDED to the prizepool.  I think if some people who thought this knew the truth then more of a big deal would be made of it.  The vast majority of recs never get a decent % of their prize returned to them in a forced seat so they don't find out the truth behind this policy.  They keep playing mtt's thinking seats are added to the prize pool because they either a) never win them or b) even if they do win them they don't realise they are taken out of the cash prizepool and converted to seats (including another 10% rake for dtd)

[pleno1]

can't the final table be the week after on the saturday? everybody gets paid the minimum cash and then comes back well prepared, rested and ready to rumble

Plus you could ensure you get your mates down to rail, make it a quality atmosphere for the stream too?

exactly yeh, i guess the downsides is that people could collude..

[FUN4FRASER]

Fri 1A - Noon - 9pm (pros and day offers)
Fri 1B - 6pm - 3am (busted pros, day offers and locals)
Sat 1C - 11am - 145pm (turbo) (tilted individuals listed above)
Sat Day 2 - 2pm - midnight
Sun Day 3 - Noon - close

Problem solved, non?

Something like this is the best if all tournaments must have the same scheduling.

Surely it's ok to occasionally have a Monday/Tuesday finish, and it make sense in this case with the WPT Main starting on the Wednesday. Yes this means some people can't play, but plenty of other tournaments to choose from.

Agree largely with comments about the guarantee - if this WPT500 had a £750k guarantee it would be considered a success.

What I would change though is the 'must play' seats as part of the prizepool. Not only do recs need to have the Monday/Tuesday available to play, but also the rest of the week if they make the top 50. Can understand why DTD want to have seats to the next event as part of the prizepool, but I think everyone should have the option of receiving the equivalent amount of tournament credit instead.

Everyone should 100% have the option to be paid in cash in full when they bet in cash and win. If i have a £500 cash bet (the same as turning up to DTD to pay into the wpt £500 in cash which numerous punters do) on a 10/1 horse i don't get paid £4k in cash and £1k in betting vouchers which i must use in one bet and one bet only on a future race which the bookmaker decides and i have no say at all over how i can spend the £1k i have won.  I get paid £5000 in profit in cash and i have the 100% say on how i spend/reinvest that money i have won.  That is effectively what these seats being taking out of the prize pool are.  When you look at it like this i am amazed it actually isn't against gambling commission rules to pay out like this.

Agree with Arb.

If they want people to reinvest their winnings in another tournament maybe give them an option of entering with a small discount if they do it immediately.

Recs won't be happy if they cash in a big tournament and lose a proportion of their winnings being forced to play a tournament they don't want to play.

I am officially a rec now!  ty camel.

An amazing amount of recs i have spoke to since the seats started think they are ADDED to the prizepool.  I think if some people who thought this knew the truth then more of a big deal would be made of it.  The vast majority of recs never get a decent % of their prize returned to them in a forced seat so they don't find out the truth behind this policy.  They keep playing mtt's thinking seats are added to the prize pool because they either a) never win them or b) even if they do win them they don't realise they are taken out of the cash prizepool and converted to seats (including another 10% rake for dtd)

The terms and conditions plus the payouts /seats of the tournament are there for everybody to view beforehand , whilst I agree some people wont be aware of how the added seats are sourced nobody is forcing  people to hand over their money

[tikay]

The obvious factor everyone seems to be ignoring..

Poker is declining in popularity.

What do other people think of this point with respect to live poker - seems an interesting point to me.

At the local bowl level, that I still enjoy weekly, the rooms seem as well attended as ever.

Don't know if I'm typical though in the sense I won't travel to play larger comps any more as I've come to realise I'm shiz but still like to roffle around locally

I'm not sure there is clear evidence to suggest much of a decline in Live poker.

[arbboy]

Fri 1A - Noon - 9pm (pros and day offers)
Fri 1B - 6pm - 3am (busted pros, day offers and locals)
Sat 1C - 11am - 145pm (turbo) (tilted individuals listed above)
Sat Day 2 - 2pm - midnight
Sun Day 3 - Noon - close

Problem solved, non?

Something like this is the best if all tournaments must have the same scheduling.

Surely it's ok to occasionally have a Monday/Tuesday finish, and it make sense in this case with the WPT Main starting on the Wednesday. Yes this means some people can't play, but plenty of other tournaments to choose from.

Agree largely with comments about the guarantee - if this WPT500 had a £750k guarantee it would be considered a success.

What I would change though is the 'must play' seats as part of the prizepool. Not only do recs need to have the Monday/Tuesday available to play, but also the rest of the week if they make the top 50. Can understand why DTD want to have seats to the next event as part of the prizepool, but I think everyone should have the option of receiving the equivalent amount of tournament credit instead.

Everyone should 100% have the option to be paid in cash in full when they bet in cash and win. If i have a £500 cash bet (the same as turning up to DTD to pay into the wpt £500 in cash which numerous punters do) on a 10/1 horse i don't get paid £4k in cash and £1k in betting vouchers which i must use in one bet and one bet only on a future race which the bookmaker decides and i have no say at all over how i can spend the £1k i have won.  I get paid £5000 in profit in cash and i have the 100% say on how i spend/reinvest that money i have won.  That is effectively what these seats being taking out of the prize pool are.  When you look at it like this i am amazed it actually isn't against gambling commission rules to pay out like this.

Agree with Arb.

If they want people to reinvest their winnings in another tournament maybe give them an option of entering with a small discount if they do it immediately.

Recs won't be happy if they cash in a big tournament and lose a proportion of their winnings being forced to play a tournament they don't want to play.

I am officially a rec now!  ty camel.

An amazing amount of recs i have spoke to since the seats started think they are ADDED to the prizepool.  I think if some people who thought this knew the truth then more of a big deal would be made of it. The vast majority of recs never get a decent % of their prize returned to them in a forced seat so they don't find out the truth behind this policy.  They keep playing mtt's thinking seats are added to the prize pool because they either a) never win them or b) even if they do win them they don't realise they are taken out of the cash prizepool and converted to seats (including another 10% rake for dtd)

The terms and conditions plus the payouts /seats of the tournament are there for everybody to view beforehand , whilst I agree some people wont be aware of how the added seats are sourced nobody is forcing  people to hand over their money

I agree.  I just don't think the GC would take too kindly to gambling at higher stakes being forced in this manner under social responsibility.  Ie you bet at a certain level then are forced to have a bet in another event at a much higher stake (with a bigger margin against you as well because the event is tougher) if you win without having any say in it other than simply not play the original event to avoid it happening.

I seem to be the only person who seems to care about this though so i won't keep banging the drum.  I have made my point.  I will just vote with my feet.

[atdc21]

Arb, i get your point but you do keep banging the drum, punters have to read the small print when they bet, no matter what its on.
i bet a horse in the charlie hall ew last week on the fri , for the sat went  from 8 + runners to 7 overnight, mine was 3rd, not ante post- rules my bad.
agree its a tough one to solve to make all happy.

[arbboy]

Arb, i get your point but you do keep banging the drum, punters have to read the small print when they bet, no matter what its on.
i bet a horse in the charlie hall ew last week on the fri , for the sat went  from 8 + runners to 7 overnight, mine was 3rd, not ante post- rules my bad.
agree its a tough one to solve to make all happy.

Not remotely the same example.  I am talking about betting in cash and getting paid out in full in cash (not tokens for events in the future you might not want to bet on but the bookie insists you must bet on if you win your first bet).  That is the main point of my argument here.  Non runners in horse races don't change the fact that you will get paid out in cash in full when/if you win on said horse race.

[david3103]

can't the final table be the week after on the saturday? everybody gets paid the minimum cash and then comes back well prepared, rested and ready to rumble

Plus you could ensure you get your mates down to rail, make it a quality atmosphere for the stream too?

exactly yeh, i guess the downsides is that people could collude..

Or get training from Phil Hellmuth 

[atdc21]

Arb, i get your point but you do keep banging the drum, punters have to read the small print when they bet, no matter what its on.
i bet a horse in the charlie hall ew last week on the fri , for the sat went  from 8 + runners to 7 overnight, mine was 3rd, not ante post- rules my bad.
agree its a tough one to solve to make all happy.

Not remotely the same example.  I am talking about betting in cash and getting paid out in full in cash (not tokens for events in the future you might not want to bet on but the bookie insists you must bet on if you win your first bet).  That is the main point of my argument here.  Non runners in horse races don't change the fact that you will get paid out in cash in full when/if you win on said horse race.

Yes i understand you want to pay in cash and get paid out the full amount in cash,my reply was to try and illustrate that if the rules were read before hand  we would understand that we wont in fact get paid out in full.