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« Reply #3930 on: July 24, 2020, 09:33:56 AM »

Had a long chat the other day with a legal counsel who was a former Washington staffer with Ted Kennedy. Fascinating insight into the rise of Obama and how the death of Kennedy saw the Obama administration head towards a more clinton influenced administration versus Kennedy influenced and later led to the rise of Trump. Really well balanced perspective on Trump too. Probably a bit wasted on me versus someone like Mint T. Think you could have spent days talking with the guy.
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« Reply #3931 on: July 25, 2020, 12:03:42 AM »

Had a long chat the other day with a legal counsel who was a former Washington staffer with Ted Kennedy. Fascinating insight into the rise of Obama and how the death of Kennedy saw the Obama administration head towards a more clinton influenced administration versus Kennedy influenced and later led to the rise of Trump. Really well balanced perspective on Trump too. Probably a bit wasted on me versus someone like Mint T. Think you could have spent days talking with the guy.

That must have been great. There would have been no President Obama if it wasn't for Kennedy. His endorsement, when Obama was struggling, was one of the most impactful endorsements ever. Unfortunately he ruined Obama's inauguration lunch by collapsing and being stretchered out.

It would be interesting to hear about the relative influences of Bill and Ted. Kennedy certainly had an influence on Obama's Presidency - though healthcare reform became one of the main policies associated with Obama, he wasn't that interested in it until Ted insisted on him treating it as his second highest priority (after economic recovery) as a condition of the endorsement (though it was a bluff as he was going to back Obama anyway). It's known that Bill and Barack weren't close for the first couple of years, so it would be fascinating if you can tell us more about the Clinton influence.
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« Reply #3932 on: July 26, 2020, 03:53:24 AM »

Donald sets the record straight over the test:

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« Reply #3933 on: July 26, 2020, 04:25:43 AM »

Ronald Reagan has his say:

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« Reply #3934 on: July 26, 2020, 10:19:33 AM »

Obama helps out.

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« Reply #3935 on: July 26, 2020, 02:27:39 PM »

Never seen that impressionist before, very good.

Hope they showed the donald that Reagan edit, lol.
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« Reply #3936 on: July 28, 2020, 12:33:20 AM »

It was interesting to hear John Sununu referenced out of nowhere in that Trump sketch. Sununu was Bush Snr’s first Chief of Staff, mainly remembered for an expenses scandal that did for him. His main legacy was persuading Bush to abandon his election pledge of ‘No new taxes’.

Danny Baker got months out of a joke on his morning radio show at the time, where he told of an incident where Bush said that he hadn’t known about something, but Sununu knew, with ‘knew’ pronounced as the American ‘noo’, so it was ‘I didn’t know, but Sununu noo’. You had to be there to appreciate it.

That tax promise was Bush’s USP in the 1988 election. He was way behind Dukakis when he came to give his Convention speech. Despite being VP for the previous eight years, the public didn’t know him well and he was largely seen as Reagan’s doormat, with the terms ‘weak’ and ‘wimp’ often used to describe him. He began the turnaround with a very successful speech that showed his personality and introduced a more compassionate form of conservatism, pulling off the impossible task of showing continuity while ditching some of Reagan’s harsher policies. The high-point was his “Read my lips. No new taxes.” pledge, which remained the key message of the campaign.



It only took til the 1990 Budget for Bush to compromise and agree several new taxes, persuaded by Sununu and some others. The alternative was to cut Medicare, Social Security or Defence. This split the party, with Speaker Newt Gingrich and VP Dan Quayle particularly opposed to it. Other Republicans used the u-turn against him in the 1992 Primaries, as did the Clinton team in the General Election.

Sununu’s son Chris is the current Governor of New Hampshire, a position that John Sununu also held before joining the White House.
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« Reply #3937 on: July 28, 2020, 03:47:39 AM »

You may remember Herman Cain, who was a serious candidate for the Republican Presidential nomination in 2012. He was best known as President and CEO of the National Restaurant Association and had previously been Vice President of the Pillsbury Company (turning around then-subsidiaries Burger King and Godfather's Pizza), Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas and a Director of Aquila, Nabisco, Whirlpool, Reader's Digest and AGCO.




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Herman is a Trump supporter these days, in fact a Trump surrogate, and is Co-Chair of Black Voices for Trump. https://blackvoices.donaldjtrump.com/

Here's a selection of some of his recent tweets:

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It's not known how he caught the virus.

There have been a couple of updates since he entered hospital three weeks ago. One today says "he is still in the hospital being treated with oxygen for his lungs."

I'm sure we all wish him well.
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« Reply #3938 on: July 28, 2020, 01:23:29 PM »

Wasn't Herman Cain the guy whose campaign fell apart once he announced a taxation policy that was taken from the game Sim City?
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« Reply #3939 on: July 28, 2020, 03:26:13 PM »

Wasn't Herman Cain the guy whose campaign fell apart once he announced a taxation policy that was taken from the game Sim City?

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Hopefully they dopey old goat makes a full recovery.
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« Reply #3940 on: July 29, 2020, 05:13:16 PM »

Wasn't Herman Cain the guy whose campaign fell apart once he announced a taxation policy that was taken from the game Sim City?

His 9-9-9 tax policy, ie 9% income tax, 9% sales tax, 9% corporate tax. Apparently it was very close to the video game, though he said it was a coincidence. Absolutely bonkers idea.

His ratings collapsed after several women made claims of sexual harassment and it turned out that the National Restaurant Association had paid some of them off, and another woman claimed she had had an affair with him lasting more than a decade.
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« Reply #3941 on: July 29, 2020, 06:08:28 PM »

Bill Barr had to answer in Committee yesterday for the first time for his actions since taking over as Attorney General, and was verbally assaulted. He defended staunchly in his unflappable way, but there has rarely been such a succession of direct accusations by a Committee.



Several Democrats made long statements rather than taking the opportunity to question him and get him on the record. In a clearly co-ordinated strategy, they repeatedly refused to allow him to respond by reclaiming the balance of their time. It’s hard to feel sympathetic towards Bill Barr, and  there was a justified concern that he would run out the clock on a member’s limited time, but it didn’t look good.

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« Reply #3942 on: July 30, 2020, 12:44:07 AM »

I saw one clip of that, and a woman started rowing with him.

Hard work when they all talk over each other.
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« Reply #3943 on: July 30, 2020, 03:39:06 AM »

VICE PRESIDENT

Satisfying Joe's requirement for someone to be ready to take over as President 'from Day 1' would ideally require experience of running something big and detailed knowledge of how Washington operates, preferably combined with some foreign policy stripes (although that's not essential as Biden would consider himself to be a foreign policy expert). This rules out a number of good contenders, as training on the job isn't an option this time. Experience as a Governor or a Senator is generally accepted as being good enough preparation. House experience on its own is borderline, unless it's at a senior level. Being Mayor of a large city or a State Attorney General doesn't quite cut it unless it's combines with something else.

Kamala was a clear favourite for a long time with Amy Klobuchar clear of the rest as definite second-favourite. Amy made a lot of progress in the Spring and it seems that she had the nomination in the bag. Although having a Black candidate was a big issue even before George Floyd, it's understood that Kamala was going to get Attorney General and that was considered sufficient to satisfy the Black constituency, especially as Joe is very strong with Black voters himself. George Floyd put an end to that plan, with Amy publicly dropping out and trying to take Elizabeth Warren down on the way out by saying that it should go to a black woman.

At this stage there are four top-rank candidates - Susan Rice, Val Demings, Warren and Harris, plus two longer shots who have come right into the reckoning in the last few weeks - Tammy Duckworth and Karen Bass. I can't see Duckworth or Demings in the role, but I could see Bass or the other three. Warren has remained a live option for longer than expected, but I think it's probably now a straight choice between Rice and Harris. Kamala is probably still the one to beat, but I wouldn't be surprised if Rice got it.

If Kamala isn't VP, I think she'll definitely be Attorney General. If she is VP, Joe would probably like Amy as AG, but it might be too soon for that. Rice is the obvious choice for Secretary of State if she misses out now. Warren and Harris are guaranteed to excel in the VP debate, but might over-shadow Joe on the job and would be campaigning for 2024 from the start, whereas some of the others would be more focused on supporting the President.

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« Reply #3944 on: July 30, 2020, 03:41:47 AM »

I have listed all the people I can think of who have been seriously mentioned as contenders. Let's start with who it won't be, and work our way from least to most likely of those who have been suggested:

OUT OF THE RUNNING

Michelle Obama (56)
Forget about it.

Hillary Clinton (72) - Former First Lady, Senator & Secretary of State
The biggest issue I see with Hillary, apart from all the baggage, and the objections that would have to be faced down, is that Hillary and Joe are so similar. Their positions would be in sync, which helps, but they are strong with the same groups of voters (older / liberal / educated / Black / Southern, New York, Cali), so she doesn’t really add many he wouldn’t already get - maybe some women. The last time there was a pairing who were so similar was Bill and Al Gore. Bill took criticism for his identikit selection (both young Southern centre/left liberals), instead of adding someone older or from the North / Mid-West. He said he picked Gore for his foreign policy experience, environmentalism and strong family values (not areas that Clinton was known for). They pulled it off by selling it as a new generation (they are the youngest team ever elected), but it still seems unnecessarily risky by Clinton. Biden's landslide lead potentially gives him the freedom to pick anyone he feels like and Hillary would definitely fulfil both of his requirements (simpatico with his beliefs and objectives and ready to be Prez), but it's just not going to happen.

Kirsten Gillibrand (53) - Senator, New York
Gillibrand has been in the Senate since 2009 and has had a remarkable transition from being quite right-wing when she was in the House (2007-2009), to being quite liberal now. She ran for President, but that didn't go as well as she might have expected and she dropped out very early. I was expecting to see her at least in the running for VP (and she did mention last year that she would be interested), but it seems she set her sights on being Sec of Defence. She is very hot on #MeToo (and was largely responsible for forcing Al Franken, one of the Dems rising stars, to resign his seat after a fairly innocuous joke and some accusations that fell apart later). It seems that she is appalled by the military's approach to sexual harassment etc and wants to shake it up. I'd have thought the President would want someone in that role whose primary focus is keeping the country safe.

Stacey Abrams (46)
Stacey led the party group in the Georgia House of Representatives for five years, before running for Governor and being cheated out of the win by the evil Brian Kemp who oversaw the election, in which he was a candidate, as part of his previous role as Georgia Secretary of State, and got away with blatantly rigging it. She has faced some of the same issues as 'normal people', being severely in debt for a few years, including at the time of the election for Governor, mainly from paying for her parents' healthcare, though she also had a bad credit card habit. She has paid it all off, having access to sources that most don't, mainly through her novels and soft porn writings.

Over a year ago, just before Joe's candidature was announced, Axios reported that he was considering coming straight out of the gate with a pre-announced running mate, ie Abrams, and all the networks ran with it. Clearly it didn't happen, probably because limiting your options so early would be bonkers, but the fact that Abrams was the one under consideration seems hard to believe. She is seen as extremely left wing by many - a ray of hope for some and of terror for others, though she made substantial compromises in the Georgia House to get things done, which sullied her leftist credentials in the eyes of some. Although flexible with her beliefs when required, she just starts out from too different a starting point for Joe.

She is unique in being completely open about the fact that she was actively campaigning for the VP slot and she promoted herself and the case for a black woman on the big shows on all the networks. There was a funny-but-sad joint interview with Biden in May, where she appeared to think he was about to announce for her right there and then, and you could see her soul leaving her body as it quickly became apparent that the interview itself was her reward and the praise Joe was dropping on her was all she was getting.



Amy Klobuchar (60) - Senator, Minnesota
Amy didn't start as favourite for VP, but she was always in the running. Her momentum kept building after her very impressive performance in Presidential Primary debates, and as cracks appeared in Kamala's image. They have similar baggage, both having been Attorney General of their State, so will have created certain groups who resent them for doing that job, as well as some who claim miscarriages by them. However, Amy is hugely popular in Minnesota, which is right in the key Mid-West region where Biden needs success in neighbouring States. Apparently, Joe was surprised and impressed that she brought in the State for him on Super Tuesday and his wife is known to like Amy. There was a lot of pressure for a Black running mate, but messages started to come out that it wasn't going to happen. Network anchors started reminding us that Joe was already very popular with Blacks, so already had a lock on their vote. The message was leaked repeatedly that the Black constituency would be given Attorney General, in the person of Kamala, and that Amy would be VP. For a couple of weeks, this was the settled position.

Then George Floyd happened. For this to explode in Minnesota was enough to rock Amy's chances. When it came out that she had personally decided not to prosecute the policeman involved for a previous incident, thereby allowing him back onto the streets in uniform, she was toast. The timing was just so terrible for her, coming right at the height of the VP speculation. And that was that. She made a statement withdrawing from the race, saying that she had told Biden that the job should go to a woman of colour. This wasn't for her to say, so it may have been at Biden's suggestion, but it was generally taken as a stab in the front for Elizabeth Warren, the other leading White contender. Warren is the only serious contender from the progressive wing, and it was assumed that Amy was trying to make it harder for her to be selected for that reason as much as the racial thing.

Tammy Baldwin (58) - Senator, Wisconsin
Wisconsin will be one of the key States in the election, so Baldwin could be pivotal. However, as the first gay person in the Senate, she may encounter opposition in some area, but get bonus points in others. Probably more importantly, if she became VP, that would lead to a bye-election and, as it's Wisconsin, it's not guaranteed that the Democrats would keep the seat. There was some talk about her, but it has died down.

Gretchen Whitmer (48) - Governor, Michigan
Whitmer got a lot of coverage during the lockdown protests and was perceived as performing very well by the Democrats, and horrifically by conservatives. She has very high ratings in Michigan, despite what the TV images of the protestors might suggest. Michigan is one of the swing States that Biden may need to win and, at one point, she almost seemed to be becoming favourite for the role, but the continual bashing by Fox did seem to damage her image nationally. Whitmer has said outright that she is focused on her work in Michigan and is not interested in the VP job, which I initially took with a pinch of salt, as they all say that, but she seems to have gone right out of the reckoning now.

Jeanne Shaheen (73) - Senator, New Hampshire
Maggie Hassan (62) - Senator, New Hampshire
You never heard of them, right? They are the only two women in history to have been both Governor and Senator, and they're from the same State. Joe unexpectedly named them both as being under consideration a while ago. This seems to be him just giving a bit of recognition to people he admires, which is all very nice, but a waste of everyone's time, as they can't seriously be in contention. Shaheen quickly said she's not interested, though Hassan would be. Their Senate seats would also be at risk in a bye-election. You can forget about them again.

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