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« Reply #750 on: September 27, 2016, 04:21:40 PM »

John

one of the fun/interesting things last night was various news outlets/blogs "live fact checking" for "whoppers". Bloomberg was the highest profile one i think

i think the final tally was Trump 34, Clinton 4 demonstrable lies/untruths

was that new to this campaign (and because of Trump) or would they have been feature of past election debates?

no word of a lie, Trump did the rounds of the media room afterwards and actually denied he'd said some of the things he'd said half an hour earlier

one wag suggested that by about next February he will drop into a speech that he had never run for President!

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« Reply #751 on: September 27, 2016, 04:42:00 PM »

Won't mean too much if you weren't a fan but this is brilliant - 10 years since the series finished:

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« Reply #752 on: September 27, 2016, 04:52:34 PM »

No getting away from it, Trump under performed last night. Not an election loosing performance imo, but he missed so many chances to stick the shiv in, he also lost his frame on a few occasions.

I think more than anything it will have been a wake up call, which will I'm sure prepare him for the next one. He was just too soft.

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« Reply #753 on: September 27, 2016, 04:53:51 PM »

was that new to this campaign (and because of Trump) or would they have been feature of past election debates?

The fact-checks would come out a day or two later, by which time people had made their minds up, so it was worth lying to score points. The public being able to check in real-time and share their findings is a huge change that the politicians need to adapt to. I though Trump had cleaned it up a bit after Clinton enlisted the fact-checkers and told them to 'get to work' after some dodgy statement, so I'm surprised if he still told that many whoppers. Presumably, debaters in future years will be forced to be more accurate in what they say.


no word of a lie, Trump did the rounds of the media room afterwards and actually denied he'd said some of the things he'd said half an hour earlier

I think they made a huge mistake there. They were probably concerned that it hadn't gone well but it left open the possibility that he would say something harmful off-the-cuff, which he did. It was madness for him to say that the moderator did a good job and was fair, whether true or not, as he undermined all his supporters who were trying to claim that Holt had been biased.
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« Reply #754 on: September 27, 2016, 11:03:32 PM »

Not a great night for Jill Stein, who is creating a new tradition of trying to get into the debates.

In 2012, she managed to get arrested and held by the police for eight hours, handcuffed to a chair for part of it. That was a dream publicity result.

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Last night, unfortunately, the police were much nicer, even posing for photos with her, before escorting her off the grounds, so no headline-grabbing arrest, leaving her to make do with an impromptu rally outside.

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Better luck next time.

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« Reply #755 on: September 27, 2016, 11:50:26 PM »

This made me chuckle.


Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump go into a bakery. As soon as they enter the bakery, Hillary steals three pastries and puts them in her pocket.

She says to Donald, "See how clever I am? The owner didn't see anything and I don't even need to lie.” I will definitely win the election.

The Donald says to Hillary, "That's the typical dishonesty you have displayed throughout your entire life, trickery and deceit. I am going to show you an honest way to get the same result."

Donald goes to the owner of the bakery and says, "Give me a pastry and I will show you a magic trick." Intrigued, the owner accepts and gives him a pastry. Trump swallows it and asks for another one. The owner gives him another one. Then Donald asks for a third pastry and eats that, too.

The owner is starting to wonder where the magic trick is and asks, "What did you do with the pastries?"

Trump replies, "Look in Hillary's pocket".


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« Reply #756 on: September 29, 2016, 05:32:45 AM »

Just watched the Obama Town Hall, and he really is a very impressive man.

Not a debate, but still, it was a world away from Trump, and even Clinton.
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« Reply #757 on: September 29, 2016, 07:12:23 PM »

Just for the Sam Harris fanboys, nowt to do with Trump

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« Reply #758 on: September 29, 2016, 07:48:50 PM »

Interesting stuff, isn't it. Him and Rogan were talking about it a fair bit on #804.
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« Reply #759 on: September 30, 2016, 04:54:27 AM »

Lots of leaks from the Trump team that they tried to get him to follow conventional debate preparation, but he just wouldn't do it. They brought in a lectern to have mock debate sessions, but he wasn't having it, preferring to prepare around a table - working up points to use, rather than practicing delivery. He also declined to study the fact-books prepared.

This, of course, was madness - defying the conventional wisdom and cutting something that is proven to work. He will have learnt a lot from the experience of the debate and should be better next time, but he could have learnt a lot of it at home in a safer environment.

We are told that seven different close advisors have said something anonymously to the press along the lines of him skimping on preparation. Assuming that the family wouldn't do it kind of narrows down who has been trying to preserve their own reputation.

It has also come out that the sessions had to be moved from Trump's home to Trump Towers, as too many distractions kept coming up at home. What does that tell you about lack of organisation?

In contrast, Clinton prepared in detail, with prepared answers for all the hard questions and then took part in full-on practice debates on all three nights immediately before the real thing, at the same time as the debate, even including full TV make-up.

Kellyanne says that we will see a very different Trump next time and The New York Times reports why:  'New Debate Strategy for Donald Trump: Practice, Practice, Practice' http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/29/us/politics/donald-trump-debate.html

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« Reply #760 on: September 30, 2016, 12:51:44 PM »

This made me chuckle.


Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump go into a bakery. As soon as they enter the bakery, Hillary steals three pastries and puts them in her pocket.

She says to Donald, "See how clever I am? The owner didn't see anything and I don't even need to lie.” I will definitely win the election.

The Donald says to Hillary, "That's the typical dishonesty you have displayed throughout your entire life, trickery and deceit. I am going to show you an honest way to get the same result."

Donald goes to the owner of the bakery and says, "Give me a pastry and I will show you a magic trick." Intrigued, the owner accepts and gives him a pastry. Trump swallows it and asks for another one. The owner gives him another one. Then Donald asks for a third pastry and eats that, too.

The owner is starting to wonder where the magic trick is and asks, "What did you do with the pastries?"

Trump replies, "Look in Hillary's pocket".




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« Reply #761 on: October 01, 2016, 01:05:40 AM »

Too Many Cooks?

There are rumours that the set-up of Trump's debate team is going to be changed, with Chris Christie being put in charge. Steve Bannon has nominally been leading the sessions, but the Donald has generally taken them over. Apparently Christie was "brutally honest" with Trump after the debate and they are thinking of letting him take over the debate prep.

There has been criticism that the sessions so far have been too big, with a dozen people involved when they were all there. Bannon and Christie have been there. In addition, Rudy Giuliani and Jared Kushner have been playing increasingly leading roles in the campaign and the debate prep. Giuliani, ex-Mayor of New York, is half-mad, but he is a fearsome debater. Kushner (Ivanka's husband) is a property and publishing millionaire. He hates Christie, who led an investigation which sent his father to jail, not a good basis for team-building. It has been reported widely that Trump had Christie pencilled in for VP, but had his mind changed by Kushner, so the antipathy is mutual.

David Bossie has been in the meetings. He is yet another nasty piece of work. He worked for Bush Snr in the 92 election but Bush was so appalled at Bossie's attempts to dig the dirt on the Clintons that he not only condemned his "filthy campaign tactics", but filed a legal complaint against him and had George W contact party members to urge them not to assist Bossie. He also has bad history with Gingrich. He has undertaken loads of unbelievable stuff. Some of it is here http://tinyurl.com/jxd4xda, but you could fill a book with what he has done. Of course, that means he is an excellent fit for the team and Trump has appointed him Deputy Campaign Manager.

Laura Ingraham has been involved. I'm not sure to what extent, but she has been there. I suggested back here http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=66429.msg2155847;topicseen#msg2155847 that they should bring her into the team and they obviously read this thread, as that is exactly what they did.

Kellyanne Conway has also been there, of course, and Ivanka was at some of them. Also, two other staffers, Steve Miller and Jason Miller, plus two retired generals (wtf?).

That makes up to thirteen people in the room, plus Paul Ryan and Reince Priebus phoning into the meetings, and Roger Ailes winding Trump up in between.

A lot of the problems lay with the candidate, but one issue with the team was that they often didn't agree with each other on the best strategy, before even telling the candidate what he should do. Is that any surprise with so many people? It contrasts with Clinton, who prepared with a group of three or four (plus Bill sometimes).

Maybe Christie can turn it around, if he can get Kushner, Giuliani and Bannon to agree. This is a group with too many leaders. Christie is a busy person, though - he is already in charge of the 'transition team', which is preparing to convert the campaign into an Administration, and is forever fending off the never-ending Bridgegate scandal. He also still has a major State to run (or, he is supposed to be running, still being Governor and all), where there was a major train crash yesterday. If he can find the time and get the backing, he needs to trim the debate team and manage the candidate. I expect Trump has already learnt enough to perform much better next time anyway. If Christie can get the team under control, he might be able to get Trump within closer range of Clinton's level.
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« Reply #762 on: October 01, 2016, 01:30:59 AM »

Thought this was pretty funny

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« Reply #763 on: October 01, 2016, 01:50:31 AM »

The Dems are worried that the non-establishment feeling in the air means that they are bleeding votes to the third-party candidates Stein and Johnson (surely they can't both be third-party; doesn't one of them have to be fourth-party?). This did for them once before, when Ralph Nader took Al Gore's votes, so it is a real thing. Also, HRC isn't attracting the younger votes they need. So, it's time to call on Bernie. Expect to see more of him in the next few weeks.
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uselection/democrats-target-libertarian-ticket/ar-BBwJlZk?ocid=iehp

Johnson is making the task of peeling his votes easier than it should be. First there, was the Aleppo thing:



Then he did the tongue thing.

Now, he has demonstrated either his lack of knowledge and/or ability to function under pressure:



If that doesn't convince you not to vote for him, you could take a look at the Libertarians' policies - abolish income tax, state welfare, state pensions, state education, and all regulation on wages, prices, rents, etc. It's up to individuals to make their own arrangements and buy education, health care, etc through the free market from private providers or obtain help from family or charity. No restrictions on free movement or free trade. Leave WTO, NATO and all trade agreements. No controls on drugs. Open immigration. Keep your guns.



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« Reply #764 on: October 01, 2016, 01:56:44 AM »

Just wow :O

How do these people get so far?
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