Adam Johnson`

[arbboy]

Guy is a complete idiot and thick as pig shit, but 6 years doesn't sit quite right. As already mentioned, you see much more severe crimes slapped with lesser sentences.

''As it is he has abused a position of trust, so he should be treated in a similar way to a teacher''.....don't agree with that Dooobs. Why was he in a position of trust?

It was what the judge said in the sentencing

Adam Johnson's crimes were the most serious of their type, the judge says.

Judge Jonathan Rose says his offences were category 1A, the most serious.

He says "there is an abuse of trust, you are trusted by young fans to behave properly".  

Well I think the judge is talking bollocks in that case then. You cannot seriously lump footballers in with teachers etc, otherwise where do you draw the line? Surely nearly every occupation has the potential to be an ''abuse of trust''?

well yes, every adult has to respect the boundaries of laws and deceny surely? thats what being an adult is about if you are considering activity with a 15 year old, which he did. he then abused his position as an adult.

footballer = public occupation, high profile, clubs wheel them out into community, schools etc. while its not quite teacher/pupil, doctor/patient there is an abuse of trust

That's not what I was getting at, and i'm pretty sure you know it. A teacher shagging a pupil is an abuse/breach of trust, ditto a doctor having it away with a patient. A footballer having sexual contact with a 15 year old is not an abuse of trust in relation to his occupation.

i think it is, and so did the judge. like it or not its a role model type occupation where the club uses its employees to sell tickets/merchandise etc to minors via their parents, involves them in community activities like school visits etc

Which means that you're putting footballers on a level occupational pegging with teachers when stuff like this happens. Which is absurd.

Correct.  Next footballers will have to be police checked before signing their contracts if this is the case.  I have never understood the role model angle thrown at brain dead professional sports people just because they earn a fortune.  You never hear non league footballers earning £500 a week being called role models and they do exactly the same thing just earn less money.

[TightEnd]

Guy is a complete idiot and thick as pig shit, but 6 years doesn't sit quite right. As already mentioned, you see much more severe crimes slapped with lesser sentences.

''As it is he has abused a position of trust, so he should be treated in a similar way to a teacher''.....don't agree with that Dooobs. Why was he in a position of trust?

It was what the judge said in the sentencing

Adam Johnson's crimes were the most serious of their type, the judge says.

Judge Jonathan Rose says his offences were category 1A, the most serious.

He says "there is an abuse of trust, you are trusted by young fans to behave properly". 

Well I think the judge is talking bollocks in that case then. You cannot seriously lump footballers in with teachers etc, otherwise where do you draw the line? Surely nearly every occupation has the potential to be an ''abuse of trust''?

well yes, every adult has to respect the boundaries of laws and deceny surely? thats what being an adult is about if you are considering activity with a 15 year old, which he did. he then abused his position as an adult.

footballer = public occupation, high profile, clubs wheel them out into community, schools etc. while its not quite teacher/pupil, doctor/patient there is an abuse of trust

That's not what I was getting at, and i'm pretty sure you know it. A teacher shagging a pupil is an abuse/breach of trust, ditto a doctor having it away with a patient. A footballer having sexual contact with a 15 year old is not an abuse of trust in relation to his occupation.

i think it is, and so did the judge. like it or not its a role model type occupation where the club uses its employees to sell tickets/merchandise etc to minors via their parents, involves them in community activities like school visits etc

Which means that you're putting footballers on a level occupational pegging with teachers when stuff like this happens. Which is absurd.

again, he's an adult. purely as an adult there is an element of trust. don't think (i may be wrong) the court distinguishes on category of offence by occupation its the seriousness and extent of activity and the tariff is set within boundaries according to that

yes we would all say the biggest abuse of trust is teacher/doctor/childcare worker etc but whether he is a footballer, accountant, car dealer whatever there is still an abuse of trust

personally i consider footballer to be somewhere between run of the mill occupation and teacher/doctor on the scale of shock at abuse of trust , precisely because they are promoted as role models to kids and rolled out to functions/events/schools/christmas hospital visits etc

[RobbieP]

Ofcourse hes a paedophile, why does he seek out a 15yo when he can sleep with any bird he wants. Part of the attraction is clearly her age/ it being wrong. If we were talking about the same guy as a non-footballer with more limitted options, who just took what was on offer Id be far more inclined to say he isnt a paedophile, but the facts seem to suggest the appeal was she was a besotted kid. Hes lucky the family are moneygrabbing tramps as I would have chopped the smackrats head off.

Howling with laughter man

[TightEnd]

Guy is a complete idiot and thick as pig shit, but 6 years doesn't sit quite right. As already mentioned, you see much more severe crimes slapped with lesser sentences.

''As it is he has abused a position of trust, so he should be treated in a similar way to a teacher''.....don't agree with that Dooobs. Why was he in a position of trust?

It was what the judge said in the sentencing

Adam Johnson's crimes were the most serious of their type, the judge says.

Judge Jonathan Rose says his offences were category 1A, the most serious.

He says "there is an abuse of trust, you are trusted by young fans to behave properly". 

Well I think the judge is talking bollocks in that case then. You cannot seriously lump footballers in with teachers etc, otherwise where do you draw the line? Surely nearly every occupation has the potential to be an ''abuse of trust''?

well yes, every adult has to respect the boundaries of laws and deceny surely? thats what being an adult is about if you are considering activity with a 15 year old, which he did. he then abused his position as an adult.

footballer = public occupation, high profile, clubs wheel them out into community, schools etc. while its not quite teacher/pupil, doctor/patient there is an abuse of trust

That's not what I was getting at, and i'm pretty sure you know it. A teacher shagging a pupil is an abuse/breach of trust, ditto a doctor having it away with a patient. A footballer having sexual contact with a 15 year old is not an abuse of trust in relation to his occupation.

i think it is, and so did the judge. like it or not its a role model type occupation where the club uses its employees to sell tickets/merchandise etc to minors via their parents, involves them in community activities like school visits etc

Which means that you're putting footballers on a level occupational pegging with teachers when stuff like this happens. Which is absurd.

Correct.  Next footballers will have to be police checked before signing their contracts if this is the case.  I have never understood the role model angle thrown at brain dead professional sports people just because they earn a fortune.  You never hear non league footballers earning £500 a week being called role models and they do exactly the same thing just earn less money.

the difference is the role they are asked to fulfill by their employer. its nothing to do with the money they earn, its the public involvement as role models to their supporters, a percentage of which will be minors. that is the club and media's doing

[hhyftrftdr]

Guy is a complete idiot and thick as pig shit, but 6 years doesn't sit quite right. As already mentioned, you see much more severe crimes slapped with lesser sentences.

''As it is he has abused a position of trust, so he should be treated in a similar way to a teacher''.....don't agree with that Dooobs. Why was he in a position of trust?

It was what the judge said in the sentencing

Adam Johnson's crimes were the most serious of their type, the judge says.

Judge Jonathan Rose says his offences were category 1A, the most serious.

He says "there is an abuse of trust, you are trusted by young fans to behave properly". 

Well I think the judge is talking bollocks in that case then. You cannot seriously lump footballers in with teachers etc, otherwise where do you draw the line? Surely nearly every occupation has the potential to be an ''abuse of trust''?

well yes, every adult has to respect the boundaries of laws and deceny surely? thats what being an adult is about if you are considering activity with a 15 year old, which he did. he then abused his position as an adult.

footballer = public occupation, high profile, clubs wheel them out into community, schools etc. while its not quite teacher/pupil, doctor/patient there is an abuse of trust

That's not what I was getting at, and i'm pretty sure you know it. A teacher shagging a pupil is an abuse/breach of trust, ditto a doctor having it away with a patient. A footballer having sexual contact with a 15 year old is not an abuse of trust in relation to his occupation.

i think it is, and so did the judge. like it or not its a role model type occupation where the club uses its employees to sell tickets/merchandise etc to minors via their parents, involves them in community activities like school visits etc

Which means that you're putting footballers on a level occupational pegging with teachers when stuff like this happens. Which is absurd.

again, he's an adult. purely as an adult there is an element of trust. don't think (i may be wrong) the court distinguishes on category of offence by occupation its the seriousness and extent of activity and the tariff is set within boundaries according to that

yes we would all say the biggest abuse of trust is teacher/doctor/childcare worker etc but whether he is a footballer, accountant, car dealer whatever there is still an abuse of trust

personally i consider footballer to be somewhere between run of the mill occupation and teacher/doctor on the scale of shock at abuse of trust , precisely because they are promoted as role models to kids and rolled out to functions/events/schools/christmas hospital visits etc

Simply can't agree. Just cos they visit little Timmy in hospital 4 days before Christmas doesn't mean they suddenly have a teacher/pupil esque 'relationship' with minors. As Arbs touches on, what about the lower league players who train 5 days a week, play on a weekend and not much more? Are they escalated to abuse of trust platforms should they get involved with a 15 year old?

And this is purely from an occupational point of view btw so you don't need to reiterate the ''again, he's an adult. purely as an adult there is an element of trust''.

[JohnCharver]

He uses his position as an excuse to meet her (shirt signing), so has abused his position.

[TightEnd]

no problem mr vowels, happy to agree to disagree

i might also refer you back to ched evans, where the offence was against an adult and the judge there referred to the footballer's position as an influential role model too

that looked a lot more questionable in the summing up (the role model part) than this does, imo

[hhyftrftdr]

no problem mr vowels, happy to agree to disagree

i might also refer you back to ched evans, where the offence was against an adult and the judge there referred to the footballer's position as an influential role model too

that looked a lot more questionable in the summing up (the role model part) than this does, imo

I think the whole role model stuff is silly anyway. They kick a ball around a pitch, if people want to idolise them then fair enough, but that's the fans prerogative. I'm not naïve, any good up and coming footballer should be aware of the potential spotlight they will be under, but ultimately its still just a job.

Question....replace Johnson with member X from boyband Y, would you still consider it a breach of occupational trust?

[TightEnd]

no problem mr vowels, happy to agree to disagree

i might also refer you back to ched evans, where the offence was against an adult and the judge there referred to the footballer's position as an influential role model too

that looked a lot more questionable in the summing up (the role model part) than this does, imo

I think the whole role model stuff is silly anyway. They kick a ball around a pitch, if people want to idolise them then fair enough, but that's the fans prerogative. I'm not naïve, any good up and coming footballer should be aware of the potential spotlight they will be under, but ultimately its still just a job.

Question....replace Johnson with member X from boyband Y, would you still consider it a breach of occupational trust?

again yes. perhaps even more so. whole music industry, particularly the boyband side or primtetime talent competitions promotes to kids whether through public appearances, signings, concerts, albums, downloads. i would imagine a judge would be equally as unequivocal if a boyband member who in the course of his profession comes into contact with plenty of kids abuses that

[Doobs]

no problem mr vowels, happy to agree to disagree

i might also refer you back to ched evans, where the offence was against an adult and the judge there referred to the footballer's position as an influential role model too

that looked a lot more questionable in the summing up (the role model part) than this does, imo

I think the whole role model stuff is silly anyway. They kick a ball around a pitch, if people want to idolise them then fair enough, but that's the fans prerogative. I'm not naïve, any good up and coming footballer should be aware of the potential spotlight they will be under, but ultimately its still just a job.

Question....replace Johnson with member X from boyband Y, would you still consider it a breach of occupational trust?

Think boy band definitely.  I think Tighty is right, it is somewhere between teacher and normal nobody.  The judge saw it as relevant to his sentencing and I guess he is just following sentencing guidelines.  If he has misinterpreted something, then I guess they could appeal the sentencing.

[Jon MW]

no problem mr vowels, happy to agree to disagree

i might also refer you back to ched evans, where the offence was against an adult and the judge there referred to the footballer's position as an influential role model too

that looked a lot more questionable in the summing up (the role model part) than this does, imo

I think the whole role model stuff is silly anyway. They kick a ball around a pitch, if people want to idolise them then fair enough, but that's the fans prerogative. I'm not naïve, any good up and coming footballer should be aware of the potential spotlight they will be under, but ultimately its still just a job.

Question....replace Johnson with member X from boyband Y, would you still consider it a breach of occupational trust?

again yes. perhaps even more so. whole music industry, particularly the boyband side or primtetime talent competitions promotes to kids whether through public appearances, signings, concerts, albums, downloads. i would imagine a judge would be equally as unequivocal if a boyband member who in the course of his profession comes into contact with plenty of kids abuses that

There are musicians who girls think of as attractive - because they're a musician;
There are teachers who girls thinks of as attractive - because they're a teacher;
There are sports people (including non league footballers) in the same position - because they're sports "stars" (of some degree)

You don't have to be equating them all to the same level to say that those in that position who take advantage of their fans are  abusing some level of trust.

[hummuspie]

Whilst I disagree with it a little, I can see why the judge would see it like that. IMO the abuse of trust comes from the fact that a high percentage of young lads grow up wanting to be a footballer and so will mirror some of the things their heroes do eg haircut or clothing. And with society how it is these days, it only takes 1 kid to see this and be influenced

[flushthemout]

Heard on Sky news that the Doctor who got involved in the case had found some of AJ behaviour towards sexual desires very disturbing, he kept the arrest quite for as long as he did cos that way he was still bagging £60k a week from Sunderland, We won the league with a pedo on the wing, hope he rots in Leeds, shit player, obnoxious and shows no feelings of his guilt.

[DungBeetle]

Heard on Sky news that the Doctor who got involved in the case had found some of AJ behaviour towards sexual desires very disturbing, he kept the arrest quite for as long as he did cos that way he was still bagging £60k a week from Sunderland, We won the league with a pedo on the wing, hope he rots in Leeds, shit player, obnoxious and shows no feelings of his guilt.

Sunderland won the league?

[flushthemout]

Heard on Sky news that the Doctor who got involved in the case had found some of AJ behaviour towards sexual desires very disturbing, he kept the arrest quite for as long as he did cos that way he was still bagging £60k a week from Sunderland, We won the league with a pedo on the wing, hope he rots in Leeds, shit player, obnoxious and shows no feelings of his guilt.

Sunderland won the league?

When he use to play for Mcfc