2016/17 rumourmill and confirmed transfers

[Archer]

Why does Sir Alex get no stick for what happened with Pogba.

Refusing to play him caused him to leave.

The general feeling is Ferguson can take no blame here. Negotiations took place but nothing happened. “From what I’ve heard a situation was cooked up and I’m not sure that we could have done anything different to how we played our cards,” says United’s executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward in the new United We Stand fanzine. “It was a stacked deck.”


Read more at http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/paul-pogba-fergies-biggest-mistake-26-years#64qEuooeEGTCbX83.99


Pogba was being blooded slowly, within a plan. The agent got involved and suddenly it's all discord and impatience.

 Paul Pogba said he left Manchester United because he was "disgusted" Sir Alex Ferguson picked a right-back ahead of him in midfield and revealed it caused the breakdown of his relationship with the former manager.

Having signed for Juventus when his contract at Old Trafford ran out in 2012, Pogba has been scouted by David Moyes this month but spoke critically of United in a Canal+ documentary about him called L'Incontournable and said he had no regrets about joining the Serie A champions.

Pogba, 20, never started a first-team game in England but thought he should have figured in the December 2011 clash against Blackburn, which was on Ferguson's 70th birthday.

Ferguson had omitted Wayne Rooney, Jonny Evans and Darron Gibson after a night out and, lacking three injured central defenders, played Michael Carrick in the back four and selected a new central-midfield partnership of right-back Rafael da Silva and Park Ji-sung.

And Pogba told Canal+: "It was a very, very difficult moment for me because I was in love with Manchester and I was a Mancunian.

"It was the match against Blackburn in December 2011 at Old Trafford.

"Paul Scholes had retired, Darren Fletcher was injured. There was no one left to play in midfield. And I was training and I was beginning to get better bit by bit and the coach never stopped telling me, 'You're this far'.

"And I didn't understand. This far away from what? Playing? From having some playing time? From getting on the field? Or what?

"And there was Rafael in midfield and I was disgusted. I was disgusted and I didn't get on either."

United lost 3-2 to Blackburn with Pogba remaining an unused substitute and he said that day convinced him to leave Old Trafford.

He added: "I'd lost that thing, that relation that I had with the coach. I was really disappointed, really disappointed.

[mondatoo]

Who gives a shit if Fergie is to blame, which it sounds like he is, he managed something money can't buy and it will never be replicated.

Is he to blame - Yes

Does it effect his legacy by 1% - No

[fatcatstu]

Marten De Roon (12m) should be signing for Boro early this week, and Gaston Ramirez is waiting for a work permit appeal which the club are confident of winning and will be in by next Monday all things being well.

Expect us to still sign a RB, GK and striker at least, with Nugent rumoured to be on his way back to the championship.

Also think we need another RW to give adomah competition, but I'm happy with the way things are looking so far.

[hhyftrftdr]

Who gives a shit if Fergie is to blame, which it sounds like he is, he managed something money can't buy and it will never be replicated.

Is he to blame - Yes

Does it effect his legacy by 1% - No

He also helped plunge you guys into this multiple year transition period by delaying his retirement and leaving a distinctly average, unbalanced, ageing squad as his handover to his successor. I know some united fans who think he did this on purpose to cement his legacy, and whomever was to take over after him was basically fucked from day 1.

I digress Kroos for £65m or Pogba for £100m? Which represents the better value? Both are one of the dominos needed to fall to spark the transfer window scramble.

[david3103]

Who gives a shit if Fergie is to blame, which it sounds like he is, he managed something money can't buy and it will never be replicated.

Is he to blame - Yes

Does it effect his legacy by 1% - No

He also helped plunge you guys into this multiple year transition period by delaying his retirement and leaving a distinctly average, unbalanced, ageing squad as his handover to his successor. I know some united fans who think he did this on purpose to cement his legacy, and whomever was to take over after him was basically fucked from day 1.

I digress Kroos for £65m or Pogba for £100m? Which represents the better value? Both are one of the dominos needed to fall to spark the transfer window scramble.

Mondatoo is a member of the Toon Army.

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If anybody fucked us over it was Aguero with that ridiculous last minute goal. SAF would have retired 12 months earlier but for that. But let's not forget that SAF left a squad which had just won the PL

Those United fans you know probably think the moon landings were faked too, do they wear tinfoil on their heads whenever they leave the house?

[hhyftrftdr]

Who gives a shit if Fergie is to blame, which it sounds like he is, he managed something money can't buy and it will never be replicated.

Is he to blame - Yes

Does it effect his legacy by 1% - No

He also helped plunge you guys into this multiple year transition period by delaying his retirement and leaving a distinctly average, unbalanced, ageing squad as his handover to his successor. I know some united fans who think he did this on purpose to cement his legacy, and whomever was to take over after him was basically fucked from day 1.

I digress Kroos for £65m or Pogba for £100m? Which represents the better value? Both are one of the dominos needed to fall to spark the transfer window scramble.

Mondatoo is a member of the Toon Army.

.

If anybody fucked us over it was Aguero with that ridiculous last minute goal. SAF would have retired 12 months earlier but for that. But let's not forget that SAF left a squad which had just won the PL

Those United fans you know probably think the moon landings were faked too, do they wear tinfoil on their heads whenever they leave the house?

Yeah but that season, RVP basically won you the league. It was a shite season, we offered a pathetic defence of our title and all the other contenders were nowhere to be seen and even worse than City. That Aguero goal also kept Mancini in a job for another 12 months.

So he left a title winning squad, but ultimately a pretty average bunch of players, and you haven't had a sniff of the league since or even come remotely close. Some of those united fans include some of the ones I actually have some respect for. Ok, it's highly unlikely he sabotaged the squad to make it as difficult as possible for the next man, but it seems he was hell bent on winning the title back, did just that, then fucked off with very little regard for the state of the playing staff going forward. Looking after No1 and cementing his legacy? You tell me. There is no doubt that Moyes was completely out of his depth, but Fergie did him no favours whatsoever.

[david3103]

Who gives a shit if Fergie is to blame, which it sounds like he is, he managed something money can't buy and it will never be replicated.

Is he to blame - Yes

Does it effect his legacy by 1% - No

He also helped plunge you guys into this multiple year transition period by delaying his retirement and leaving a distinctly average, unbalanced, ageing squad as his handover to his successor. I know some united fans who think he did this on purpose to cement his legacy, and whomever was to take over after him was basically fucked from day 1.

I digress Kroos for £65m or Pogba for £100m? Which represents the better value? Both are one of the dominos needed to fall to spark the transfer window scramble.

Mondatoo is a member of the Toon Army.

.

If anybody fucked us over it was Aguero with that ridiculous last minute goal. SAF would have retired 12 months earlier but for that. But let's not forget that SAF left a squad which had just won the PL

Those United fans you know probably think the moon landings were faked too, do they wear tinfoil on their heads whenever they leave the house?

Yeah but that season, RVP basically won you the league. It was a shite season, we offered a pathetic defence of our title and all the other contenders were nowhere to be seen and even worse than City. That Aguero goal also kept Mancini in a job for another 12 months.

So he left a title winning squad, but ultimately a pretty average bunch of players, and you haven't had a sniff of the league since or even come remotely close. Some of those united fans include some of the ones I actually have some respect for. Ok, it's highly unlikely he sabotaged the squad to make it as difficult as possible for the next man, but it seems he was hell bent on winning the title back, did just that, then fucked off with very little regard for the state of the playing staff going forward. Looking after No1 and cementing his legacy? You tell me. There is no doubt that Moyes was completely out of his depth, but Fergie did him no favours whatsoever.

I appreciate that you have a deep well of resentment and bitterness about the years from 1968 to the arrival of the Sheikh. It was, no doubt, tough being a City fan in that era. But seriously, it's only been three seasons since we last won the league and nobody has defended it well since then.

Will it be another three seasons before we win it again? Maybe. Maybe it will be longer. But nobody can take away the memories of that magical period overseen by SAF.
Not even if Mourimho himself takes us to back to back trebles. Which clearly he won't.

[hhyftrftdr]

Who gives a shit if Fergie is to blame, which it sounds like he is, he managed something money can't buy and it will never be replicated.

Is he to blame - Yes

Does it effect his legacy by 1% - No

He also helped plunge you guys into this multiple year transition period by delaying his retirement and leaving a distinctly average, unbalanced, ageing squad as his handover to his successor. I know some united fans who think he did this on purpose to cement his legacy, and whomever was to take over after him was basically fucked from day 1.

I digress Kroos for £65m or Pogba for £100m? Which represents the better value? Both are one of the dominos needed to fall to spark the transfer window scramble.

Mondatoo is a member of the Toon Army.

.

If anybody fucked us over it was Aguero with that ridiculous last minute goal. SAF would have retired 12 months earlier but for that. But let's not forget that SAF left a squad which had just won the PL

Those United fans you know probably think the moon landings were faked too, do they wear tinfoil on their heads whenever they leave the house?

Yeah but that season, RVP basically won you the league. It was a shite season, we offered a pathetic defence of our title and all the other contenders were nowhere to be seen and even worse than City. That Aguero goal also kept Mancini in a job for another 12 months.

So he left a title winning squad, but ultimately a pretty average bunch of players, and you haven't had a sniff of the league since or even come remotely close. Some of those united fans include some of the ones I actually have some respect for. Ok, it's highly unlikely he sabotaged the squad to make it as difficult as possible for the next man, but it seems he was hell bent on winning the title back, did just that, then fucked off with very little regard for the state of the playing staff going forward. Looking after No1 and cementing his legacy? You tell me. There is no doubt that Moyes was completely out of his depth, but Fergie did him no favours whatsoever.

I appreciate that you have a deep well of resentment and bitterness about the years from 1968 to the arrival of the Sheikh. It was, no doubt, tough being a City fan in that era. But seriously, it's only been three seasons since we last won the league and nobody has defended it well since then.

Will it be another three seasons before we win it again? Maybe. Maybe it will be longer. But nobody can take away the memories of that magical period overseen by SAF.
Not even if Mourimho himself takes us to back to back trebles. Which clearly he won't.

Not sure what City's lack of success from the 70s onwards has to do with Fergie leaving an average (at best) squad and letting Pogba go, who could now rejoin for £100m. Obviously he can do no wrong in your eyes and I can understand that, but taking the emotion away from it, he messed up big time with him.

The state of the squad he left is subjective, and his reasons for doing so equally so, but I'm sure even we can agree that he has to take ultimate responsibility for letting Pogba slip away. I'd be amazed if he ever returns to Salford when the likes of Real Madrid and Barca are sniffing around him.

[POWWWWWWWW]

How else was SAF supposed to leave the squad? Bring in a whole new defense, half a midfield and a big name striker and then leave? So you've got to bring in a new manager who doesn't get to pick a new squad, which is supposed to be the start of a new era. It's pretty ideal to leave a team with a new manager who gets to build his squad from the ground up the way he wants it and build his own dynasty. Hiring Moyes and more to the point Ed Woodward then fannying around for an entire transfer window hasn't got a lot to do with SAF. SAF retires, you hire Mourinho (or any world class manager), give him the £300m we've spent since and David Gill in still in charge then none of this happens and SAF leaving an ageing squad is a moot point.

Of course SAF letting Pogba go has to rest on his shoulders. It is (probably) his fault he left, but because Fergie didn't trust him to start games or that he wasn't good enough. Same as 100's maybe even 1000's of young lads over the last 30 years. No one complains that he let Danny Drinkwater go. Or Chester, Diouf, Simpson, James, Brady, Shawcross, Cathcart, Campbell, Fryers, De Laet etc. Surely of the revolving door of average Prem players United seem to churn out of their academy one if going to turn out decent.

[hhyftrftdr]

How else was SAF supposed to leave the squad? Bring in a whole new defense, half a midfield and a big name striker and then leave? So you've got to bring in a new manager who doesn't get to pick a new squad, which is supposed to be the start of a new era. It's pretty ideal to leave a team with a new manager who gets to build his squad from the ground up the way he wants it and build his own dynasty. Hiring Moyes and more to the point Ed Woodward then fannying around for an entire transfer window hasn't got a lot to do with SAF. SAF retires, you hire Mourinho (or any world class manager), give him the £300m we've spent since and David Gill in still in charge then none of this happens and SAF leaving an ageing squad is a moot point.

Of course SAF letting Pogba go has to rest on his shoulders. It is (probably) his fault he left, but because Fergie didn't trust him to start games or that he wasn't good enough. Same as 100's maybe even 1000's of young lads over the last 30 years. No one complains that he let Danny Drinkwater go. Or Chester, Diouf, Simpson, James, Brady, Shawcross, Cathcart, Campbell, Fryers, De Laet etc. Surely of the revolving door of average Prem players United seem to churn out of their academy one if going to turn out decent.

It looks like Fergie (and Charlton) had quite a lot to do with the hiring of Moyes was he not the ''chosen one''?

I don't mean Fergie buying half a new team in his final transfer window. It was no secret he was towards the end of his managerial career, the general consensus from some united fans I know was that he didn't make enough progress with the squad in his final couple of years, so when he came to retire and X takes over, they are left with a title winning squad, albeit one that hadn't seen much improvement in recent seasons and containing many players past their best.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/man-uniteds-generation-game-fergies-6355307

[POWWWWWWWW]

Yeh I'll give you that one. Def Fergie's fault for the Moyes appointment, no idea what he was thinking there.

I think the drop off in form of RVP, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra was so severe as well. Fergie prob thought they had at least one more, maybe two, decent seasons in them. Losing Mike Phelan and Rene as well was prob a massive blow to the squad as a whole. I mean look at those bench/squad players. Horrific looking back but they played decent when needed under Fergie.

[Archer]

Who gives a shit if Fergie is to blame, which it sounds like he is, he managed something money can't buy and it will never be replicated.

Is he to blame - Yes

Does it effect his legacy by 1% - No

He also helped plunge you guys into this multiple year transition period by delaying his retirement and leaving a distinctly average, unbalanced, ageing squad as his handover to his successor. I know some united fans who think he did this on purpose to cement his legacy, and whomever was to take over after him was basically fucked from day 1.

I digress Kroos for £65m or Pogba for £100m? Which represents the better value? Both are one of the dominos needed to fall to spark the transfer window scramble.

Mondatoo is a member of the Toon Army.

.

If anybody fucked us over it was Aguero with that ridiculous last minute goal. SAF would have retired 12 months earlier but for that. But let's not forget that SAF left a squad which had just won the PL

Those United fans you know probably think the moon landings were faked too, do they wear tinfoil on their heads whenever they leave the house?

Yeah but that season, RVP basically won you the league. It was a shite season, we offered a pathetic defence of our title and all the other contenders were nowhere to be seen and even worse than City. That Aguero goal also kept Mancini in a job for another 12 months.

So he left a title winning squad, but ultimately a pretty average bunch of players, and you haven't had a sniff of the league since or even come remotely close. Some of those united fans include some of the ones I actually have some respect for. Ok, it's highly unlikely he sabotaged the squad to make it as difficult as possible for the next man, but it seems he was hell bent on winning the title back, did just that, then fucked off with very little regard for the state of the playing staff going forward. Looking after No1 and cementing his legacy? You tell me. There is no doubt that Moyes was completely out of his depth, but Fergie did him no favours whatsoever.

I appreciate that you have a deep well of resentment and bitterness about the years from 1968 to the arrival of the Sheikh. It was, no doubt, tough being a City fan in that era. But seriously, it's only been three seasons since we last won the league and nobody has defended it well since then.

Will it be another three seasons before we win it again? Maybe. Maybe it will be longer. But nobody can take away the memories of that magical period overseen by SAF.
Not even if Mourimho himself takes us to back to back trebles. Which clearly he won't.

What you talking about? City were the dominant team in Manchester for 20 years or so if based on trophies won. Not tough in the slightest

We won 1 more league title than United between 1968 and 1992.
We won more cups between 1969 and 1989.

[KarmaDope]

To get back from the derail - just seen on FB that apparently Mata is going to Everton for £25m. This true?

[hhyftrftdr]

To get back from the derail - just seen on FB that apparently Mata is going to Everton for £25m. This true?

I think one media outlet was quoting £15m, which is simply absurd for a player of his quality. Not sure why Jose doesn't like him but someone is gonna get a very talented player.

[david3103]

To get back from the derail - just seen on FB that apparently Mata is going to Everton for £25m. This true?

He was always going somewhere. Hopefully in a Buy One Get a Second at Half Price deal with Fellaini. At least we'd get some benefit from losing Mata then.