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« on: May 11, 2016, 12:09:44 AM »

So England name their first test squad of the summer on Thursday with James Taylor bring the notable absentee after his retirement, which will result in a juggling of the batting order somewhat.

Personally I would go for

Cook
Hales
Vince
Root
Bairstow
Ballance
Stokes
Rashid
Broad
Finn/plunkett (not sure if Finn is fit?)
Anderson

Compton doesn't seem to be the answer to any question I can think of, so I would be bring Vince in at 3 and giving Ballance his chance at 5, but he would be on a short lead.

Rashid has made the more impressive start to the season in my mind, and deserves his chance over Ali.

Is Finn fit? If so, I would put him in, but of not, and in the absence of him and Wood, I would bring Plunkett in, a bit of pace and aggression and he can smack it about a bit.

We should be beating Sri Lanka comfortably at home.
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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2016, 12:35:46 AM »

Don't think ballance's technique stands up to a top examination. He won't get that against Sri Lanka so could easily score a shed load and we wouldn't be that much better off ITLR.

Vince seems exciting so happy for him to get a run, even at 3.

Would move stokes back to 6 and give Butler the gloves back at 7. Bairstow would play as a batsman only.

Rashid over Ali is a tough call too.
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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2016, 12:53:23 AM »

Don't think ballance's technique stands up to a top examination. He won't get that against Sri Lanka so could easily score a shed load and we wouldn't be that much better off ITLR.

Vince seems exciting so happy for him to get a run, even at 3.

Would move stokes back to 6 and give Butler the gloves back at 7. Bairstow would play as a batsman only.

Rashid over Ali is a tough call too.

I know what you are saying about Ballance, but I think his weight of rubs deserves 1 more shot at it.

Butler is another with suspect technique. If he was told to just go out there and give it a biff I think he would do OK, it's when he tries to play "properly" that he gets caught out.

Bairstow at 5 is what I meant! His batting is only getting better and I think he will win England more than a few games in his career
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« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2016, 12:55:07 AM »

England will breeze through the summer, barring odd glimpses neither touring side will be able to overcome England in English conditions. A Pakistan visit is never devoid of controversy though so should still be interesting to follow!
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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2016, 01:23:35 AM »

Buttler not available for selection playing in the IPL, it was straight choice he was given with ECB blessing.

Think they will go same team that played in South Africa with Vince in for Taylor at 5. To be hones I would be quite happy with that, though Hales and Compton probably only have this up coming series to make an impression.

Will be surprised if we don't beat Sri Lanka comfortably, can't see their batting line up without the two greats in it anymore, scoring many in early summer against our seam attack.

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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2016, 12:14:27 PM »


ENGLAND TEST SQUAD TO PLAY SRI LANKA AT HEADINGLEY

AN Cook (Captain), MM Ali, JM Anderson, JM Bairstow, JT Ball, SCJ Broad, NRD Compton, ST Finn, AD Hales, JE Root, BA Stokes, JM Vince


Will take a decent wager that we'll see Westley and Browne, maybe Bell Drummond too for Hales, Compton etc by the end of the summer

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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2016, 10:07:40 PM »

Not convinced with Vince. He's not exactly set county cricket alight last couple of seasons but seems well liked by the management for his contributions as a squad man and in the Lions. I remain to be convinced.

I think Compton has three tests to save his international career and I would really like to see Hales get a couple of scores.
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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2016, 01:37:32 PM »

Will take a decent wager that we'll see Westley and Browne, maybe Bell Drummond too for Hales, Compton etc by the end of the summer

Being a Kent fan, opportunities for Division 2 players in the test setup is an interesting topic. Now that we've had the division split for some time now, I wonder when we'll get to a point where Div 2 players aren't considered test-worthy. I'm surprised this hasn't happened already since there always seemed to be a bias favoring the 'big' clubs' players?

Personally, I would love DBD to get an England call up as I take a lot of pride when Kent produce England players. I do like that about Cricket-that the whole setup is driven towards producing international players, and clubs reap the rewards when they manage to do this.
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2016, 03:17:13 PM »

I think there is clear difference in standard between the two divisions now and the "test ground" county side now represent the whole of the 1st division with the exception of Somerset. Performing in the 1st division is going to become more and more important to getting the test side.

To be honest in a generations time I can see the domestic scene changing completely and some counties may well disappear from the top domestic competitions.

Have to admit, having seen Bell-Drummond a few times I haven't been that impressed and know a Kent member who has a similar opinion.
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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2016, 06:19:39 PM »

playing Div 1 cricket is almost essential if you want to play for England, and that's been the case for a while. Unless a player is absolutely tearing it up and have stats you just can't ignore, I'll always "devalue" runs and wickets taken in Div 2 in comparison to Div 1. Gulf in class is pretty big imo.
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« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2016, 12:56:40 AM »

I wonder when we'll get to a point where Div 2 players aren't considered test-worthy. I'm surprised this hasn't happened already since there always seemed to be a bias favoring the 'big' clubs' players?

Personally, I would love DBD to get an England call up as I take a lot of pride when Kent produce England players. I do like that about Cricket-that the whole setup is driven towards producing international players, and clubs reap the rewards when they manage to do this.
playing Div 1 cricket is almost essential if you want to play for England, and that's been the case for a while. Unless a player is absolutely tearing it up and have stats you just can't ignore, I'll always "devalue" runs and wickets taken in Div 2 in comparison to Div 1. Gulf in class is pretty big imo.

^ This. I know when Moeen Ali came into the test side, it was a big deal that he came from a Division 2 team. Had a look on Wiki and everyone who debuted in this decade bar Tredwell and Moeen plays for a side that are in D1 more often than not - And that says more about the quality of spinners we're producing in county cricket than anything else, IMO.

It's not quite as bad as South Africa, where you've got the main first class competition and a total joke second tier provincial competition that plays 3 day games and still has first class status somehow, with no promotion/relegation to the highest tier. Absolute farce that those games even have first class status, but that's another rant for another day.

However, County Cricket is definitely heading in a similar direction with the ever-growing chasm between D1 and , and reducing D1 to 8 teams next year (2 down, 1 up) is just another step in that direction as it'll become even harder for established teams to get promoted with another bigger county in . With having to fit in the limited overs competitions, possible switch to T20 franchises, IPL window, players already playing too much cricket that have all been discussed in recent years, it wouldn't surprise me if we have to split into 3 divisions of 6 teams and cut down to 10 first class games a season somewhere down the line to allow some/all of those things to happen. That might be the only way that 18 counties can survive long term too, considering how much money comes from limited overs cricket (particularly T20) and how little comes from FC games.
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« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2016, 05:06:03 PM »

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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2016, 01:15:35 PM »



Will take a decent wager that we'll see Westley and Browne, maybe Bell Drummond too for Hales, Compton etc by the end of the summer



Hi Rich / All

Looking at your quote do you still see the mentioned players getting a game? Obv Hales going nowhere for a year.

Who do we all see coming in for the series against Pakistan? I'm not convinced by Vince at all. Can see Buttler returning, but would rather he is 'keeper if he is recalled. Bairstow a much better fielder than wickie imo.

Saw Bell-Drummond earlier in season and didn't look anything special in that game.

What about Jimmy situation? to me I would rest him rather than risk a long term injury if he's not yet fit!

Edit; just seen Ballance been picked? backward step
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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2016, 01:44:37 PM »

its quite a fluid situation

Anderson is injured

Stokes can't bowl yet

both back in side when fit


Cook, Hales is now set

Root begins the pakistan series at 3

Ballance and Vince i don't really like as picks, would like to see them heading towards the younger guys like westley who are nearly ready. they wanted to put borthwick in but he's scored no runs since compton decided to drop out before he was dropped for good

bairstow keeps. could easily have him top six and a specialist keeper. foakes and ben cox must be close. not sure they were convinced by buttler as a specialist batsman in the top six

bairstow will score a lot of runs and hopefully offset the odd drop that will happen


broad is currently the only bowler pretty much assured to play all four tests if fit

woakes, finn, ball, roland jones, any others competing for a spot or two at most when everyone is fit


Pakistan have amir and yasir who are going to make sure they are competitive this summer, think it will be a closer series than many expect. i looked at amir at taunton in the first warm up and he was swingint it both ways round corners, seriously impressive. hopefully he stays fit

Yasir has 76 wickets in 12 tests but this is his first go in england, seriously good bowler though especially if it dries upa nd pitches are a bit more worn
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« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2016, 02:22:58 PM »

Not a fan of Ballance coming back in, I don't much like the look of that team that is going to start, the middle order looks a bit ropey now to me.

Would think the team will be

Cook
Hales
Root
Vince
Ballance
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Finn
Ball

Runs needed from cook, root and Bairstow in that. Would rather have seen Buttler in for Ballance.

Vince still has a lot to prove in all forms of the game I think, I was backing him before the summer started, but was disappointed with him against Sri Lanka.

Ball lacks pace from what I have seen of him, but as he was in the test squads earlier in the year, he will get the call rather than Rowland Jones.

There is a lot resting on broad for England in that bowling lineup, and I still would rather see Rashid in than Ali.

Agree this series is going to be a lot closer than was first anticipated.
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