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« Reply #150 on: November 25, 2016, 09:43:13 PM »

Duckett needed taking out.

There is failing without making a score and there is looking clueless. Lets face it the county game is no guide to this tbf...

Butler has no pedigree at this level but could produce something out of the blue.

More worried about batty who I still have little idea why he was picked. He seems a lovely bloke but he is barely a division 1 above average spinner let alone test level.

All that said if we get the breaks/toss no reason we can't go close



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« Reply #151 on: November 26, 2016, 10:18:27 AM »

At 92/4 we'd wasted the toss

Bairstow, once again, pulled us partly out of the mire
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« Reply #152 on: November 26, 2016, 12:01:44 PM »

 England had their chance after winning the toss and they blew it: 268 for 8 a nothing score on this pitch.
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« Reply #153 on: November 26, 2016, 12:07:20 PM »

England just don't know how to pick a side. If you have Moeen at 4 you surely it's obvious you're a batsman light? Then having 3 spinners for India sounds great in theory but not when the 3rd one is Gareth Batty. Do the selectors realise Indians face superior spinners every single game in their domestic season? They are afraid to take risks.
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« Reply #154 on: November 26, 2016, 06:19:21 PM »

England just don't know how to pick a side. If you have Moeen at 4 you surely it's obvious you're a batsman light? Then having 3 spinners for India sounds great in theory but not when the 3rd one is Gareth Batty. Do the selectors realise Indians face superior spinners every single game in their domestic season? They are afraid to take risks.

I do think moeen is too high at 4 when he'll revert to 8 for home games,  but we have no other options.  Other batsman in the squad are duckett and ballance,  both currently unselectable.  If not Batty then it would be Ball or Finn so again it's debatable if we'd be stronger. 

A name mentioned batting wise is billings,  Thorpe said he was the best English player of spin. I guess if we pick specialist spin Bowlers for these tours why not specialist spin batsman?
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« Reply #155 on: November 27, 2016, 09:52:27 AM »

England just don't know how to pick a side. If you have Moeen at 4 you surely it's obvious you're a batsman light? Then having 3 spinners for India sounds great in theory but not when the 3rd one is Gareth Batty. Do the selectors realise Indians face superior spinners every single game in their domestic season? They are afraid to take risks.

I do think moeen is too high at 4 when he'll revert to 8 for home games,  but we have no other options.  Other batsman in the squad are duckett and ballance,  both currently unselectable.  If not Batty then it would be Ball or Finn so again it's debatable if we'd be stronger. 

A name mentioned batting wise is billings,  Thorpe said he was the best English player of spin. I guess if we pick specialist spin Bowlers for these tours why not specialist spin batsman?

Ok,  fair enough,  anyone but batty 😔
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« Reply #156 on: November 27, 2016, 11:17:57 AM »

Today one of the reasons I love this side

Nothing happening so we put the squeeze on with some tight accurate and very good fielding so the game never got away.

A piece of world class catching from woakes and then out of this world fielding from buttler turns it all around.

Superb watching
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« Reply #157 on: November 28, 2016, 10:59:47 AM »

Oh Moeen :-(
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« Reply #158 on: November 28, 2016, 02:54:38 PM »

Just FYI, this is the team i would have played this game:

Cook
Hameed
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Ballance/Duckett/anyone who can genuinely bat
Buttler
Bairstow
Stokes
Moeen
Woakes
Rashid
Anderson

And to me this seems like a much more balanced side. If i truly had my own way i would also take out Stokes for a genuine fast bowler - this would never happen though as everyone is obsessed with Stokes despite his distinctly average stats. What England have to learn though is you can't win in this format with bits and pieces players. Picking Batty, sticking Moeen at 4 and 3 and playing too many all rounders is never going to be how you win tests.
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« Reply #159 on: November 28, 2016, 03:53:27 PM »

Just FYI, this is the team i would have played this game:

Cook
Hameed
Root
Ballance/Duckett/anyone who can genuinely bat
Buttler
Bairstow
Stokes
Moeen
Woakes
Rashid
Anderson

And to me this seems like a much more balanced side. If i truly had my own way i would also take out Stokes for a genuine fast bowler - this would never happen though as everyone is obsessed with Stokes despite his distinctly average stats. What England have to learn though is you can't win in this format with bits and pieces players. Picking Batty, sticking Moeen at 4 and 3 and playing too many all rounders is never going to be how you win tests.

You want to take out Stokes? jeeeeeez. 2nd in the batting averages and 3rd in the bowling for this tour, as well as being our best fielder. Was good again in Bangladesh. I went against the hype at the start, but surely now he's got to be regarded as a class player?

The batty decision is going to take a panning as he barely bowled until they gave him a long spell towards the end, as if to justify his selection. But the fact remains that the other options aren't great. Ballance just isn't good enough, after Bangladesh they should have left him out of the squad for another batsman (Jennings, Gubbins, Billings). Duckett has been exposed against top quality spin. Rather than ruin him, it's best to take him out of the firing line and try and form a way that he can defend against the spinners (he has all the attacking shots required). They were such bad options we had to pick a guy who'd played 1 first class game in a year in Buttler, that shows how bad the situation was.
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« Reply #160 on: November 28, 2016, 04:01:58 PM »

the fault is in the squad selection. as ever this is partially with handsight

but in a 16 man squad you have 4 "unselectables"...duckett, ballance, ansari, batty and a seamer too many. finn/ball not required and never both likely to be at the same time. doesn't mean that duckett and ansari were bad selections, you have to find out. ballance and batty are far more questionable as you know what cricketers they are, from previously

coincidentally cook appears to have thoroughly lost faith in moeen as a bowler so that seems to explain why the option of going in with moeen/rashid only wasn't chosen





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« Reply #161 on: November 29, 2016, 01:19:36 PM »

Hameed has been ruled out of the rest of the tour

he was terrific today, 58* with a broken finger. at the end of the innings he had won their respect, Kohli and co all went up and shook his hand

been some selection mistakes for this tour, but one shining light is that they should have found a test opener for 10 years plus, and selecting him at 19yo is a big plus for Bayliss and co
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« Reply #162 on: November 29, 2016, 03:41:47 PM »

Hameed has been ruled out of the rest of the tour

he was terrific today, 58* with a broken finger. at the end of the innings he had won their respect, Kohli and co all went up and shook his hand

been some selection mistakes for this tour, but one shining light is that they should have found a test opener for 10 years plus, and selecting him at 19yo is a big plus for Bayliss and co

Pencil him in for the full Summer in England. The search for Cook's opening partner is finally resolved!

As for the batting woes, we don't seem to have anything to lose. I'm all for flying Jason Roy out and giving him a spin in the last couple of tests.
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« Reply #163 on: November 29, 2016, 03:49:30 PM »

The England Lions are due to start a few games in the UAE next week - perhaps might be an idea to have them tour a few weeks ahead of the main team so if anyone hits form they can get promoted up.
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« Reply #164 on: November 29, 2016, 04:09:19 PM »

the Lions were in loughborough for a month with andy flower, playing on worn scuffed pitches through october (weather allowing) ahead of the UAE.

not a hope they pick jason roy to open in tests, his technique isn't tight enough. hales is in the bad books.

have a go with gubbins, jennings or bell-drummond and see what you have.

likelihood is we'll lose 4-0, we don't have 11 effective cricketers for the sub-continent currently but lets get the guys blooded and develop a squad for the Ashes next winter
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