England Cricket chat

[buzzharvey22]

bat stokes at 8? averaged over 50 this year in test cricket. Leave duckett out and play wood aswell. thought thats 5 seamers, which seemed a lot. Buttler has done enough to warrant a start in the next test i think.

interesting you say about we'll go back to england and smash sides up on green seamers. What do you think india do?! they come to us/ aussies and get hammered and when we go there its minefield spinners. Its the same thing just the other way round.

Think its a promising side the england team, ashes next winter is the one.

He averages about 33 in tests. Not enough to bat at 6 in my opinion. Maybe bat stokes at 7 and then Moeen at 8 in the UK. Especially now teams know to just bowl short against him.

[verndog158]

bat stokes at 8? averaged over 50 this year in test cricket. Leave duckett out and play wood aswell. thought thats 5 seamers, which seemed a lot. Buttler has done enough to warrant a start in the next test i think.

interesting you say about we'll go back to england and smash sides up on green seamers. What do you think india do?! they come to us/ aussies and get hammered and when we go there its minefield spinners. Its the same thing just the other way round.

Think its a promising side the england team, ashes next winter is the one.

He averages about 33 in tests. Not enough to bat at 6 in my opinion. Maybe bat stokes at 7 and then Moeen at 8 in the UK. Especially now teams know to just bowl short against him.

yeah but if you break it down into his recent record, Im pretty sure hes averaged over 60 in tests this year, thats series in SA and 5 tests in India, pretty good that. youd rather have duckett in there instead?

[Noose]

England need to get all their fringe players playing abroad in winters in leagues across the world to get them used to foreign conditions, especially the sub continent. What's the point in having a 16/17 man squad when most of them play sod all games and water carry for months. Get them some proper competitive cricket. Not exactly difficult to call someone up for injury replacement/loss of form.

Cook looks shot as a captain, let him get back to being one of the best batsmen in the world.

Agreed that he is more dynamic down the order... but can the team afford to have him as a specialist batsman who averages in his 30's? Without spin friendly wickets in home games, his bowling is going to be distinctly part time.
Even just getting him back to a half decent opener will be good enough.

Stokes is too high at 6, Ali is too high at 4.

Back in England i think im going:

Hameed
Cook
Jennings
Root
Bairstow
Duckett
Ali
Stokes
Woakes/Wood
Broad
Anderson

Newbie here....hope it's ok for me to join the convo.

Ali is probably one of the best players of spin in the team (albeit his shot selection and temperament need to improve). Couldn't he be groomed as a proper No.4? The man scored 2 centuries in India and could be a vital cog  in any future South Asian tours.

Welcome Noose, newbies always welcome.
Personally, I really like Ali down the order. Has a ridic average when batting lower down and having that capable a bat that low seems to help with batting collapses. No sub continent games for a for a fair while either.

[Noose]

Agreed that he is more dynamic down the order... but can the team afford to have him as a specialist batsman who averages in his 30's? Without spin friendly wickets in home games, his bowling is going to be distinctly part time.

[muckthenuts]

Agreed that he is more dynamic down the order... but can the team afford to have him as a specialist batsman who averages in his 30's? Without spin friendly wickets in home games, his bowling is going to be distinctly part time.

+1. We already have an all rounder in Stokes and a part time spinner in Root so I don't really see what Moeen brings to the team. A young specialist bat like Duckett though makes a lot more sense to me.

I mean it doesn't really matter anyway, we'll beat whoever we play at home then get equally thrashed when we go away

[verndog158]

Agreed that he is more dynamic down the order... but can the team afford to have him as a specialist batsman who averages in his 30's? Without spin friendly wickets in home games, his bowling is going to be distinctly part time.

+1. We already have an all rounder in Stokes and a part time spinner in Root so I don't really see what Moeen brings to the team. A young specialist bat like Duckett though makes a lot more sense to me.

I mean it doesn't really matter anyway, we'll beat whoever we play at home then get equally thrashed when we go away

Moeen averaged 47 this year in tests, including away in SA and away in India. career stats are misleading, as hes clearly improving. walks into the side as a specialist batter alone at the moment in my opinion

[muckthenuts]

Agreed that he is more dynamic down the order... but can the team afford to have him as a specialist batsman who averages in his 30's? Without spin friendly wickets in home games, his bowling is going to be distinctly part time.

+1. We already have an all rounder in Stokes and a part time spinner in Root so I don't really see what Moeen brings to the team. A young specialist bat like Duckett though makes a lot more sense to me.

I mean it doesn't really matter anyway, we'll beat whoever we play at home then get equally thrashed when we go away

Moeen averaged 47 this year in tests, including away in SA and away in India. career stats are misleading, as hes clearly improving. walks into the side as a specialist batter alone at the moment in my opinion

Fair point, i doubt England will drop him anyway.

[TightEnd]

Fewest since 1977 (when just 23 Test played)

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=year;orderbyad=reverse;template=results;type=aggregate;view=year

[Noose]

Fewest since 1977 (when just 23 Test played)

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=year;orderbyad=reverse;template=results;type=aggregate;view=year

Not surprising considering the overall increase in attacking batsmanship in Test Cricket over the last 15 years. Creates more time in the game....therefore more results.

[vegaslover]

Fewest since 1977 (when just 23 Test played)

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=year;orderbyad=reverse;template=results;type=aggregate;view=year

Not surprising considering the overall increase in attacking batsmanship in Test Cricket over the last 15 years. Creates more time in the game....therefore more results.

Also shows how poor batting is relative to bowling, particularly at staying in.

[TightEnd]

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[muckthenuts]

Personally I yearn for a few green mambas where every run is hard fought for. The art of bowling has been nullified so much with flatter pitches and bigger bats. Sadly every cricket board is currently complicit in putting money ahead of the beauty of the game, none more so than the BCCI. Just look at the new World Cup format designed to ensure 9 Indian matches. Such a frustrating waste of potential in cricket right now which I can't see changing any time soon.

[muckthenuts]

Has the ODI series piqued anybody's interest? Just saw that India scored 381 in their 50 overs, and briefly reminisced about a time when that would be majorly impressive rather than boring as hell.

[verndog158]

England score 360+ twice in 2 games and lose both times, this must be a record?

Has the ODI series piqued anybody's interest? Just saw that India scored 381 in their 50 overs, and briefly reminisced about a time when that would be majorly impressive rather than boring as hell.

I do agree, i think its turning into a game of baseball at times and that is a shame. I think thats great for t20 cricket, however, it would be good to see it a it more of a competition in the 50 over game

[TightEnd]

1.   Regulation changes, with further restrictions on numbers of players outside the circle and two power-play sections in each innings
2.   The use of one ball from each end, a harder/newer ball is easier to hit further
3.   Bat sizes, and bat technology (restrictions on bat sizes are coming)
4.   Transferance of T20 skills into ODIs. People are playing 50-over cricket with a T20 mindset
5.   Boundaries often in for the “TV spectacle”

its moved towards the T20 game when really it should be half way between T20 an a test match, but that is what rights holders (advertising revenue and viewer figures) and the boards want.