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« Reply #285 on: February 21, 2017, 11:11:32 AM »

Ben Stokes £1.7 mill in the IPL  Shocked. Some other English bowler I've never heard of for £1.4 mill, Eoin Morgan £240k.....

How much of these sums - what % - goes to the player? Put another way, what will, say, Ben Stokes be paid for this gig?
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« Reply #286 on: February 21, 2017, 11:14:29 AM »

Ben Stokes £1.7 mill in the IPL  Shocked. Some other English bowler I've never heard of for £1.4 mill, Eoin Morgan £240k.....

How much of these sums - what % - goes to the player? Put another way, what will, say, Ben Stokes be paid for this gig?

£1.7m less agents fees

for someone like Mills, whose career was limited to T20 by his back injury, a life changer (and he's worked really hard on his T20 skills to make a career out of T20 only)
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« Reply #287 on: February 21, 2017, 11:22:29 AM »

Ben Stokes £1.7 mill in the IPL  Shocked. Some other English bowler I've never heard of for £1.4 mill, Eoin Morgan £240k.....

How much of these sums - what % - goes to the player? Put another way, what will, say, Ben Stokes be paid for this gig?

£1.7m less agents fees

for someone like Mills, whose career was limited to T20 by his back injury, a life changer (and he's worked really hard on his T20 skills to make a career out of T20 only)

Crikey.

Cricket has changed beyond recognition in the last 20 or 30 years.

Did this limited over stuff all begin with the John Player League & Gillette Cup back in the 70's?

Helmets? What them?


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« Reply #288 on: February 21, 2017, 11:39:33 AM »

1963 Gillette Cup 60 overs a side

Players played it like a test. 190 off 60 overs was a good score and frequently won

Sunday John player cup from 68 i think, 40 overs a side

benson and hedges 55 overs then 50 overs a side around 1970?

an age that has gone now.
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« Reply #289 on: February 21, 2017, 11:43:41 AM »

1963 Gillette Cup 60 overs a side

Players played it like a test. 190 off 60 overs was a good score and frequently won

Sunday John player cup from 68 i think, 40 overs a side

benson and hedges 55 overs then 50 overs a side around 1970?

an age that has gone now.

1963? Jeez, never realised it was that long ago. The John Player League was hugely popular on BBC2 on Sunday afternoons as I recall.

190 off 60 overs? Crazy times. Boycott would not have excelled.
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« Reply #290 on: February 21, 2017, 12:18:45 PM »

1963 Gillette Cup 60 overs a side

Players played it like a test. 190 off 60 overs was a good score and frequently won

Sunday John player cup from 68 i think, 40 overs a side

benson and hedges 55 overs then 50 overs a side around 1970?

an age that has gone now.

What would be a good comparable score in 20 or 40 over cricket today if there were no fielding or bowling restrictions (perhaps one bouncer per over) and a legside ball wasn't called a wide?

130 and 275?
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« Reply #291 on: February 21, 2017, 12:25:22 PM »

One of my first cricketing memories was the 1979 world cup final and watching Brearley and Boycott plod along at about 3 runs an over in pursuit of the Windies 290 odd. Unsurprisingly once they were out the inevitable collapse took place as I'd imagine the run rate must have been astronomical!
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« Reply #292 on: February 21, 2017, 12:27:19 PM »

1963 Gillette Cup 60 overs a side

Players played it like a test. 190 off 60 overs was a good score and frequently won

Sunday John player cup from 68 i think, 40 overs a side

benson and hedges 55 overs then 50 overs a side around 1970?

an age that has gone now.

What would be a good comparable score in 20 or 40 over cricket today if there were no fielding or bowling restrictions (perhaps one bouncer per over) and a legside ball wasn't called a wide?

130 and 275?

and they played with a red ball? and no free hits etc

interesting questions. 150 and 275 maybe?

possibly higher. you also have to consider bat technology and player conditioning. the bats are bigger, you can edge for 6! the players are fitter, bigger and stronger too..though obviously that applies to bowlers as well

over and above that the unorthodox shot making would presumably find a way to adapt to no field restrictions etc
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« Reply #293 on: February 21, 2017, 12:49:59 PM »

And let's not forget the first ever World Cup match in 1975 when, chasing England's 334 in 60 overs, India finished on 132-3 with Sunil Gavaskar scoring 36 not out from 174 balls.
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« Reply #294 on: February 21, 2017, 12:55:59 PM »

And let's not forget the first ever World Cup match in 1975 when, chasing England's 334 in 60 overs, India finished on 132-3 with Sunil Gavaskar scoring 36 not out from 174 balls.
Tony Greig let England down by going for 2.88 runs per over...
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« Reply #295 on: February 21, 2017, 12:57:36 PM »

And let's not forget the first ever World Cup match in 1975 when, chasing England's 334 in 60 overs, India finished on 132-3 with Sunil Gavaskar scoring 36 not out from 174 balls.

It was printed in a local Indian newspaper that"England won but could not get Gavaskar's wicket."(in Hindi)

mainly due to outside leg stump bowling from the bowlers, which is considered wide in ODI these days but at 5-5 he couldn't reach a lot of the balls bowled
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« Reply #296 on: February 21, 2017, 01:23:34 PM »

Tymal Mills is in line for £3431 a ball if he bowls 4 overs in every game (17 matches) he plays in the IPL.

Thats crazy money! Good luck to the lad!
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« Reply #297 on: February 21, 2017, 02:02:33 PM »

Ben Stokes £1.7 mill in the IPL  Shocked. Some other English bowler I've never heard of for £1.4 mill, Eoin Morgan £240k.....

How much of these sums - what % - goes to the player? Put another way, what will, say, Ben Stokes be paid for this gig?

£1.7m less agents fees

for someone like Mills, whose career was limited to T20 by his back injury, a life changer (and he's worked really hard on his T20 skills to make a career out of T20 only)

It's pro rota, so will get £1.7 if he plays all the games, which is unlikely due to England 1 day schedule, but should be available for most of the games.
Mills only plays T20 so is available for all games.
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« Reply #298 on: February 21, 2017, 03:14:14 PM »

Ben Stokes £1.7 mill in the IPL  Shocked. Some other English bowler I've never heard of for £1.4 mill, Eoin Morgan £240k.....

How much of these sums - what % - goes to the player? Put another way, what will, say, Ben Stokes be paid for this gig?

£1.7m less agents fees

for someone like Mills, whose career was limited to T20 by his back injury, a life changer (and he's worked really hard on his T20 skills to make a career out of T20 only)

It's pro rota, so will get £1.7 if he plays all the games, which is unlikely due to England 1 day schedule, but should be available for most of the games.
Mills only plays T20 so is available for all games.


I'd assume mills would get Rested a little throughout the tournament. He's played quite a bit recently in New Zealand,  Australia and Pakistan franchise leagues as well as for England. You'd hope they'd be mindful and give him the odd game off. Apparently starc isn't available for rcb so he's there main weapon now, bowling at the chinnaswarmy (tiny boundaries) as his home ground will be a great learning curve for him.
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« Reply #299 on: February 21, 2017, 04:13:10 PM »

England have confirmed Stokes, Woakes and Buttler can miss Ireland series and return from IPL on May 14.

Morgan, Roy, Billings back May 1st

Mills and Jrdan available for the whole shebang
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