It's mark up time of the year again!

[Rexas]

Tikay, I completely agree with you when it comes to the big name pros. However, what about me? No-one is going to be all excited that I bust them from a tournament, or won a big pot off them or whatever. And I know I've screwed up with my behaviour to affect people's enjoyment of their experience. It's ok (even though it's not) for Hellmuth to go crazy and berate people, because that's what he does, and it's Phil Helmuth! But if I go and do that, it's not acceptable at all, because I don't have the name and the experience factor etc to make it ok. If I do that, I just make someone feel shitty, and that's not good for anyone.

[Doobs]

There are some comments here from Andrew Barber, who won a bracelet last year (I think it was HORSE) has gone back to college to study economics.  He plays a bit of plo8 too.

They aren't aimed at anyone, and are general points for this thread. 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/171N5Fpnv6eFljWMQ4Y8VT3oGTu5ROa3NbVchtGm7Koc/mobilebasic?pli=1

I have discussed similar thoughts in the past in relation to re-entries where people sell at a premium.  If you get short stacked in a re-entry and have sold at a healthy premium the +EV decision for you can be to just toss your stack away and re-enter.  This is only very rarely going to be in the interests of buyers.   It is this disconnect between the financial interests of buyers and sellers that has stopped me buying stakes in people who charge premiums on re-entries.  It previously hadn't occured to me that the same logic follows into people who sell a series of events at a premium.  This effect is going to be exagerrated if you are short stacking a 1k that you sold at 1.2 when there is a 3k tomorrow that you also sold at 1.2.   

[titaniumbean]

Recreational poker players should be entitled to a 'safe space' where they can lose their money without fear of being verbally abused.

Gamblers have feelings too you know.

When someone says "DIAGF" to an opponent, do they really want that person to die in a grease fire?

When I say people over 65 shouldn't be allowed to vote, do I really mean that?

People say stuff to make a point, exaggerating a position or a thought to drive that point home.

And anyone who disagrees with me can fuck off and die.

I enjoyed these posts greatly.

[titaniumbean]

Poker is the only sector where credit risk is seemingly completely ignored.

Basically buying in the main event is a;

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A massive high variance gamble that you get charged heavily for, you have no idea whats really +EV, whats 0EV, whats a great bet or a terribble bet. It's just that if you hit it hard you get the lot.

so David what you're saying is you love buying pieces in the main amirite

[SuuPRlim]

yep im all over it.

Give a guy $1000, he gives you $750,000 what could possibly go wrong

[SuuPRlim]

you know what on Tikay's point, although I am firmly in the camp of recreational gambler these days I do remember from my time as a pro that i got a lot of kudos from amateur players about it.

It was kind of like i had all the answers to a secret world that they were really fascinated by by were only involved in on the peripheral, who was winning what, who had what % of who, who lost how much in what game, whats X player like in real life etc.

I just made most of the answers up anyways

[nirvana]

The pros earn their living, or much of it, from the amateurs, they are their pay packet. So a little cooey-wooey would go a long way, no matter how "dark & sinister" some may think that is.

Cooey - farkin - wooey - therein lies the issue for me in terms of sinister - it's just such an annoying term and pretty dark too.

Isn't the point to just be authentic and hopefully nice with it. So people like Alex, Thew, Dempsey, Deadman all just come across as decent guys, have a certain charisma even when they are not chatting too much etc(look at the company yr keeping Alex :-) but you do serve as a useful point of reference for people here of course).

It's easy to understand that people would enjoy being around them, live life vicariously for a bit, and tolerate losing their money to them quite well - whether it's contrived or not I don't know and don't care because it doesn't seem to be. You, Teeks, for the most part carry this off pretty nicely in the live arena too.

But I don't need people to patronise me with their cooey or their wooey when what they want, what they really really want, is my cashy washy.

[tikay]

The pros earn their living, or much of it, from the amateurs, they are their pay packet. So a little cooey-wooey would go a long way, no matter how "dark & sinister" some may think that is.

Cooey - farkin - wooey - therein lies the issue for me in terms of sinister - it's just such an annoying term and pretty dark too.

Isn't the point to just be authentic and hopefully nice with it. So people like Alex, Thew, Dempsey, Deadman all just come across as decent guys, have a certain charisma even when they are not chatting too much etc(look at the company yr keeping Alex :-) but you do serve as a useful point of reference for people here of course).

It's easy to understand that people would enjoy being around them, live life vicariously for a bit, and tolerate losing their money to them quite well - whether it's contrived or not I don't know and don't care because it doesn't seem to be. You, Teeks, for the most part carry this off pretty nicely in the live arena too.

But I don't need people to patronise me with their cooey or their wooey when what they want, what they really really want, is my cashy washy.

I may have missed the point here, but I had you down as a Pro poker player. Did I get that wrong?

I have seen you play, & you are certainly extremely competent. You've got the headphones, & even sup red wine at the table, though my tip would be to use a glass, drinking from a bottle of wine is unspeakably common, & more of a St Neots thing.

[nirvana]

Yah, that's me - couldn't help a lol

[MANTIS01]

I saw a guy get a bad beat from Mike sexton at the weekend. It knocked him out the comp. he rushed over to tell his girlfriend, who was sitting near by all about it with a level of excitement similar to someone who had just won the comp.

I agree with tikay.

Seriously tho, if I was that guy's girlfriend, enjoying a few cocktails at the bar, and my man came bowling over all excited about losing his chips I would find that very unsexy. Maybe even a little embarrassing. Would prob smooth down my dress and go and talk to the high roller at the craps table.

Oh and lol at cashy washy

[titaniumbean]

you know what on Tikay's point, although I am firmly in the camp of recreational gambler these days I do remember from my time as a pro that i got a lot of kudos from amateur players about it.

It was kind of like i had all the answers to a secret world that they were really fascinated by by were only involved in on the peripheral, who was winning what, who had what % of who, who lost how much in what game, whats X player like in real life etc.

I just made most of the answers up anyways

sick bluff.  we know nothing has changed David <3

[david3103]

Kid's got some game...

http://www.worldpokertour.com/live_update/ocallaghan-busts-slater-gets-chip-lead-in-next-hand-national-events-partypoker-wpt-national-uk-season-2016-2017-2-100030006000/

[tikay]

Kid's got some game...

http://www.worldpokertour.com/live_update/ocallaghan-busts-slater-gets-chip-lead-in-next-hand-national-events-partypoker-wpt-national-uk-season-2016-2017-2-100030006000/

oioi, good luck Mr Shreddies.

[danshreddies]

screwed it. came 10th

lost 5/6 all ins in day 3, was alive from stealing and eventually that's what got me. reshoved 20bbs with 66 and ran into kings....couldn't hold :p

[George2Loose]

Kid's got some game...

http://www.worldpokertour.com/live_update/ocallaghan-busts-slater-gets-chip-lead-in-next-hand-national-events-partypoker-wpt-national-uk-season-2016-2017-2-100030006000/

Comes on here and busts rando morons