Southwell The Fibresand Is Here 2016/2017

[tikay]

Hey, any particular reason why you are only recording Southwell thoughts/tips?

Best of luck btw.

John may be too bashful to answer that honestly, so I'll give it a try.

He has always specialised in Southwell AW stuff, & previously wrote some really insightful stuff on Southwell, some of which he shared with us.

I'll be very surprised indeed if his tips don't turn a profit.

Fred has been gifted with 4 or 5 really good horse racing judges, including (alphabetically.....) Adzy, Chomps, Doobs, Horsey, Mr Ambo & several others. (No slight intended if I forgot 1 or 2 others).

Most of the Elders here would give Horsey good references for Southwell, imo.

[Horneris]

Horseplayer,

Whilst others have sneered, I have always been fascinated by Southwell.

It has always seemed to me that the Southwell surface is very different than the other all weather tracks in that its somewhat deeper sand, there is more kick-back and is softer. There are a lot of horses, on occasion good horses, who just hate the surface so much they throw their toys out of the pram, run way below form then never return.

Without giving away your secrets, I have some questions if you have time to answer:

How would you certify the ground at Southwell? Obviously its officially "standard" but it rides way slower than say Kempton.

Do you focus more on horses with course form than you might with other tracks?

In maidens, do you dig deep into each horse's pedigree to try and guess which horses may appreciate the surface?

Do you focus more on front runners or horses that like to run closer to the pace rather than horses whom like to come from the back, thereby avoiding the kick-back which horses usually despise? To the naked eye, it never looks easy to make up ground.

Good Luck with this.

[ripple11]

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Is it South Well or Suthell? 

[sonour]

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[Chompy]

Never liked the place, as racing there just isn't easy on the eye, but sure there's money to be made.

The argument that horses that prefer cut on turf should like Fibresand is guff imo. Some fast-ground horseys like it, some soft grounders don't. But there doesn't seem to be any way of knowing before they've run on it.

Dave Bellingham used to look for horses with frequent IR comments like "prom, one pace", the logic being you want a horse able to keep up one decent tempo for the entire trip. This place certainly isn't one for turn of foot merchants.

[BorntoBubble]

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Happy to help "get on" if you want me to also. Or start a little fund which is John's fund to use as he see fit. I have a couple of options for B365 at the moment and WH.

[horseplayer]

Hi John

I will definitely support this, and I hope others do, too.

You have given us loads of decent winners, now we have a chance to repay one of our own when they most need it.

Good luck mate.

Thank you Tony your support is much appreciated as ever.

[horseplayer]

Good luck with this.

What bank are you suggesting? You mentioned 1 pt or 2 points but not the bank?

Have you appealed over the NHS not funding all the transport to rehab, seems a bit redic you have to stump up so much to get there and back?

Think I'm going to rethink the bank idea will post about that later. Obviously feel free to follow as and how you like,

The transport is a thorny issue. They state as I can now walk (which I can to a degree) the funding is no longer there. Tbf I hate to think how much the nhs has supported me over the years especially this one. The rehab I had when there was first class.

I want to keep going as the rehab guys at the original Hosptial are the best around.

Thanks reds

[arbboy]

Good luck at the 'grinding' track Horsey.  It always looks such hard work getting home there maybe it is just because the horses that run there are garbage or the home straight is nearly a mile long.  Agree with Chompy on it not being easy on the eye but definitely a potential gold mine if you do your homework.  Can't remember coming away from there in the few visits i have ever made with more money than i went with though.  Only time ever was a NH meeting.  Grim place to drive to and frequent but like you say money is money.

[horseplayer]

Would love to participate and support if at all possible.

Best of luck sir.

Good luck with this, would be happy to donate.

Happy to help get a bet on if you need it. One of the few I have left personally is Hills.

Hope you smash it.

Best of luck with it Horsie!

Best of luck with this, and even more with your ongoing recovery.

This! Good luck!

Very interesting

I am massive Southwell fan of the sand racing visiting quite often

Hope this goes well

Very best of luck

In!

best of luck with this and the rehab.

In.

Thanks everyone  every message is appreciated

[horseplayer]

Horseplayer,

Whilst others have sneered, I have always been fascinated by Southwell.

It has always seemed to me that the Southwell surface is very different than the other all weather tracks in that its somewhat deeper sand, there is more kick-back and is softer. There are a lot of horses, on occasion good horses, who just hate the surface so much they throw their toys out of the pram, run way below form then never return.

Without giving away your secrets, I have some questions if you have time to answer:

How would you certify the ground at Southwell? Obviously its officially "standard" but it rides way slower than say Kempton.

Do you focus more on horses with course form than you might with other tracks?

In maidens, do you dig deep into each horse's pedigree to try and guess which horses may appreciate the surface?

Do you focus more on front runners or horses that like to run closer to the pace rather than horses whom like to come from the back, thereby avoiding the kick-back which horses usually despise? To the naked eye, it never looks easy to make up ground.

Good Luck with this.

Hi Brett

Good questions wish I had all the answers....

The going is nearly always standard officially but often is deeper than that. Personally agree with Chompy the soft ground theory does not wash it can be quite random what does and doesn't act at Southwell.

There are quite a few examples of course specialists who first time looked to hate the track. I think a lot is getting into the rhythm usually near the front and as others have said staying there by grinding away.

Re maidens thinks like US in the breeding tends to be mentioned a lot more these days than 8 years ago and is probably factored in. Personally I try to look at trainers who do better than they should here.

An example would be Andrew balding. He is in the top tier of trainers or close to it but most that he runs act even those whose pedigrees say they shouldn't .

I'll try and expand on all this over the season.

[horseplayer]

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Is it South Well or Suthell? 

That old chestnut   If you buy the mentions of this on atr this winter we will all be in clover.

[horseplayer]

Never liked the place, as racing there just isn't easy on the eye, but sure there's money to be made.

The argument that horses that prefer cut on turf should like Fibresand is guff imo. Some fast-ground horseys like it, some soft grounders don't. But there doesn't seem to be any way of knowing before they've run on it.

Dave Bellingham used to look for horses with frequent IR comments like "prom, one pace", the logic being you want a horse able to keep up one decent tempo for the entire trip. This place certainly isn't one for turn of foot merchants.

Like daves theory makes a lot of sense. As said on other post a decent angle is a spotlight or form comment mentioning the soft ground thing as a given.

Cheers chomps

[horseplayer]

Good luck at the 'grinding' track Horsey.  It always looks such hard work getting home there maybe it is just because the horses that run there are garbage or the home straight is nearly a mile long.  Agree with Chompy on it not being easy on the eye but definitely a potential gold mine if you do your homework.  Can't remember coming away from there in the few visits i have ever made with more money than i went with though.  Only time ever was a NH meeting.  Grim place to drive to and frequent but like you say money is money.

Cheers arb certainly seems a bloody long way home when yours is two clear at the top of the straight and nothing happens for the next minute

[horseplayer]

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Happy to help "get on" if you want me to also. Or start a little fund which is John's fund to use as he see fit. I have a couple of options for B365 at the moment and WH.

Thanks Callum appreciated

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Thanks Lisa appreciated