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« Reply #30 on: November 13, 2017, 03:34:31 PM »

With everything that has gone off since with claims and counter claims being issued

I am not convinced it would have been as straight forward as Leon transferring $3 million

that day.

We beg to differ.
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« Reply #31 on: November 13, 2017, 03:35:43 PM »

Lol at this thread!

Wake up knowing you lost a few quid last night, head banging.
Heads down to the lido and his mate tells him its $3m.
No worries, he has that in a cornflake box on top of the wardrobe.

Cant fault him for accepting the kind offer of $2m and $1m heads up.
Don't really see how Matt can rescind an offer like that, surely Matt has to stand the difference as Alex suggests?

Leon then offers Matt $1m and he accepts this, and accepts it in front of a witness?
What in the world do you say to someone to make them give you a $2m discount!

Would that deal not stand unless Matt is denying it ever happened?
On that basis I don't see how either of them have a lawsuit.
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« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2017, 03:44:20 PM »

"What in the world do you say to someone to make them give you a $2m discount!"

I can imagine Leon is a very persuasive guy , or he knows someone who is.

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« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2017, 03:53:39 PM »

"What in the world do you say to someone to make them give you a $2m discount!"

I can imagine Leon is a very persuasive guy , or he knows someone who is.



For me if this is what persuaded me to offer a cheeky $2m discount, then i would also be persuaded not to take legal action?

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« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2017, 03:59:13 PM »

"What in the world do you say to someone to make them give you a $2m discount!"

I can imagine Leon is a very persuasive guy , or he knows someone who is.



For me if this is what persuaded me to offer a cheeky $2m discount, then i would also be persuaded not to take legal action?



Sometimes you need to get out of a tricky situation for health reasons.

Maybe now there is more than an arm's length distance between them Matt feels a little more comfortable !.
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« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2017, 04:05:45 PM »

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It wasn't Leon's idea, rob said "if you feel bad then how about offering x as a goodwill gesture" which Matt did. According to Rob, Leon was ok to pay the 3m but also accepted Matts offer which seems reasonable.

Everything is reasonable up to the point of the backers cancelling the deal then both sides acted poorly in my view.

I've never said Matt hasn't handled this situation badly. I think he handled it awfully but I also believe even in light of his mistake that he is due the full $3m and I think Leon should see that.

Leon knows the ins and outs of poker. He knows half the world is backed and if he thinks he's playing a pro in a big enough game where someone can lose several million and the pro has all their own action then I'll add 'delusional' to the list of names I'd call him alongside 'scammer'.

He should realise he owes the full $3m, why Matt panicked and accepted a deal that should not be justified and pay it to be an honourable gambler and respect his decision. He could have also felt aggrieved enough to be dangled the carrot of less money to be paid for no real reason and said to Matt that he'd never play with him or deal with him again and pay up.

But the crux of the matter is he borrowed $3m. He then lost $3m. He owes $3m.

It won't make much difference but I hope there is a boycott of his casino
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« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2017, 04:34:24 PM »

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It wasn't Leon's idea, rob said "if you feel bad then how about offering x as a goodwill gesture" which Matt did. According to Rob, Leon was ok to pay the 3m but also accepted Matts offer which seems reasonable.

Everything is reasonable up to the point of the backers cancelling the deal then both sides acted poorly in my view.


I went with a friend of mine to look at a plastering job on a newly built house. We had the keys and we let ourselves in.

There were no furnishings what so ever, but the central heating was on, (presumably to dry out the walls).

On the floor of what was going to become the kitchen there was an electric kettle plugged into a wall socket, a jar of coffee, a bag of sugar and a dirty pack of playing cards.

We knew nothing about poker back then but my friend, a truly degen gambler, suggested a game of three card. I refused.

Firstly, I didn't have much money to spare, secondly, he was the jammiest bastard that ever broke bread, and thirdly, but not leastly, I knew my tea would be ready at home and we were having lamb chops and onion gravy.

Undeterred, he asked me if I had seen Bruce Forsyth's new show, Play Your Cards Right. I said I had and without further ado he flipped the first card in the deck over and said, "For a quid, is the next one higher or lower?"

Fast forward 5 hours and I was £1500 up. I was sitting on a concrete floor, drinking coffee from a disgusting cup and wondering..

A- If I was ever going to be able to walk properly again, B- What Mrs Red would have done with my lamb chops, and C- How the Hell I was going to get out of there with my £1500 intact, (or with any money at all for that matter.

I offered him a deal. Quit now and I would knock £500 off the bill. I know this sounds daft but I would still be walking out with £1000, which was a shit load of money in 1980.

He didn't want to quit, so I told him how it would have to be. If he won back the £1500, I only had £200 more that I could lose to him, if, on the other hand he ended up losing, he wouldn't get a penny discount. He said that was fine so we carried on.

We played until almost dawn and he ran so bad, he was going lower than a Q and hitting a K, higher than a 3 and hitting a 2 etc, it was so bad that he agonising over cards like 5 or 6 saying, "I should say higher but I know it will be lower".

When we finally packed in, we were literally unable to walk because we had been sitting on the concrete for so long. On the + side I was £2100 up. On the - side I was expecting Mrs Red to file for divorce. (Remember there were no phones back then, she had no idea where I was)

The next day, I went around to his gaff to get paid as agreed. Normally at this point, once the reddies were in my hand I would give a small % in "Luck money" back as a gesture of good will and a thank you for prompt payment. (This only applies to my traveller friends because it's the done thing and it works both ways) This time though, I told him I was keeping the lot because of our agreement.

He whined and wheedled and begged and called me all the names under the sun and swore he would never speak to me again.

Two weeks later he came to see me and apologised for making a fuss. He said he was bang out of order. I apologised too. I had been thinking that I should never have put myself in a position where I would feel forced to refuse to give him his discount.

I offered him £200, he wouldn't accept it and in the end we used it to take both of our our families for a day out at Alton Towers.

We are still good friends, he's a millionaire now and still a jammy bastard. I don't think I've ever won a bet from him since.

The last time we met he won £400 from me when we played a game using the numbers on the registration plates of passing cars as poker hands.



 
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« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2017, 05:14:43 PM »

And still with all this going on they play together on partypoker. Much safer online.
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« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2017, 05:20:00 PM »

Nice story Tom!

I've had mixed experiences with letting people off money. E.g. in poker hands, telling people I've got it, or in chinese back in the day I remember missetting a hand on purpose costing me several hundred. Some worth it, some not. Lessons always learnt though.
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« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2017, 05:22:21 PM »

The way I see the $1m situation is that as Rob described, Leon spoke to Matt like he was a kid, offered him $1m, which completely enraged Matt, who knew in his head that he was going to sue Leon for the rest, but kept cool, took the $1m because that is all he was being offered and then in his words "use it to ruin Leon's reputation".
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« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2017, 05:23:25 PM »

Tom, presumably you had to spend all your winnings on reconstructive facial surgery after Mrs Red set about it with the frying pan once you came home.
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« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2017, 05:33:21 PM »

Tom, presumably you had to spend all your winnings on reconstructive facial surgery after Mrs Red set about it with the frying pan once you came home.

I made the £2100 into a fan shape and wafted her with it. It had a strangely calming effect.
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« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2017, 05:45:51 PM »

I'm curious as to whether Matt's backers who vetoed the deal the following day actually okayed the loans during the game.
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« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2017, 05:56:51 PM »

Matt Kirk is not the type of guy to give a fuck about taking money from him drunk, his worries were entirely about if he's getting paid or not, agreeing to the $1m HU match (as rob says rough equity split) is a good gesture, why on earth the "backers" thought it was a good idea to cancel that after Matt made the agreement is beyond me frankly. Matt could just have said at the start I want the $3m no deals You could have run sick and cleaned me out and I paid you the day before full monies, and obviously that's totally fine, cancelling the deal though with someone as hot headed as Leon was a pretty brutal mistake and unless there is more to it, really, really stupid.

Leon, though, a million times out of order, obviously.

I'm obviously missing something here Dave. Can you point out where Leon is out of order for me please?

You are missing something Tom Smiley

Leon agreed to pay $2m and a $1m HU match, decent spot for him. After the fucking about, I don't know why Matt fucked about like that telling no deal after getting leon out of bed hungover and shaking on it, surely anyone with an ounce of social intelligence would have realised that was a really stupid thing to do. 

Leon 100% owes $2m cash, no doubt there whatsoever. IMO what he should have done is paid $2m and said you got 4 days to play me HU for the other $1m, or actually tbh after the threats of lawyers etc I wouldn't actually have thought that bad of Leon if he said, here's the $2m now go f**k yourself for the other $1m if you hadn't of been such a dick since with lawyers etc i'd have played HU for the other milly. Matt gets done out of about $525k~ equity or something which for how badly he handled a delicate situation I think would have been a decent result for him.

So what you're missing is the fact when Leon made a "deal" to pay $2m cash and paid $1m - that's where he's out of line.
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« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2017, 06:44:32 PM »

I'm curious as to whether Matt's backers who vetoed the deal the following day actually okayed the loans during the game.

I mean in you are backing Matt Kirk you obviously love a big gamble, why the hell not lend him $3m!
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