poker news
blondepedia
card room
tournament schedule
uk results
galleries
Welcome,
Guest
. Please
login
or
register
.
April 19, 2024, 12:33:22 PM
1 Hour
1 Day
1 Week
1 Month
Forever
Login with username, password and session length
Search:
Advanced search
Order through Amazon and help blonde Poker
2272537
Posts in
66754
Topics by
16946
Members
Latest Member:
KobeTaylor
blonde poker forum
Community Forums
The Lounge
Employer’s responsibility
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
« previous
next »
Pages:
[
1
]
2
Author
Topic: Employer’s responsibility (Read 2685 times)
Pokerpops
Hero Member
Offline
Posts: 1423
Employer’s responsibility
«
on:
October 10, 2019, 07:59:35 PM »
My 18 yr old granddaughter works for a major supermarket stacking shelves. The store she is at is about 2 miles from her flat, about a 35 minute walk. She was working 4 till midnight which wasn’t great for getting home, but recently they shifted the shift pattern so that she now finishes at 3am.
The small town where she lives doesn’t have a night bus, nor does it have taxis that operate beyond 1am during the week.
Once she passes her driving test it will be easier, but she failed this week and the next date isn’t till mid-november. Meantime she needs the job.
Any suggestions anyone? Employers don’t seem to have any responsibility for this.
Logged
"More than at any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly."
Juperjiper
Full Member
Offline
Posts: 273
Re: Employer’s responsibility
«
Reply #1 on:
October 10, 2019, 08:10:28 PM »
How much notice they give?
Sounds shit
But unlucky her
Logged
Jon MW
Hero Member
Offline
Posts: 6191
Re: Employer’s responsibility
«
Reply #2 on:
October 10, 2019, 08:12:13 PM »
Employers have a duty of care to their employees to and from work - i.e. they are responsible for their safety.
Most places with very late shift work put on transport to cover themselves for this - in practice it's pretty difficult to get them to do something if they're not willing.
But has she definitely asked them if there's anything they can help with?
Logged
Jon "the British cowboy" Woodfield
2011 blonde MTT League August Champion
2011 UK Team Championships: Black Belt Poker Team Captain - - runners up - -
5 Star HORSE Classic - 2007 Razz Champion
2007 WSOP Razz - 13/341
teddybloat
Sr. Member
Offline
Posts: 755
Re: Employer’s responsibility
«
Reply #3 on:
October 10, 2019, 08:46:23 PM »
can she not get a bike, must be a 5min bike ride?
Logged
RED-DOG
International Lover World Wide Playboy
Global Moderator
Hero Member
Offline
Posts: 46917
Re: Employer’s responsibility
«
Reply #4 on:
October 10, 2019, 09:17:33 PM »
Yep. A bike, some good high viz clothes, modulating lights etc.
Logged
The older I get, the better I was.
arbboy
Hero Member
Offline
Posts: 13285
Re: Employer’s responsibility
«
Reply #5 on:
October 10, 2019, 09:38:23 PM »
Must be someone who could give her a lift home after the shift ends given its only 2 miles away if the company refuse to do anything. Seems bad to have young girls going home at 3am on their own walking/cycling if there is no public transport or taxis available.
Logged
BangBang
Hero Member
Offline
Posts: 1111
Re: Employer’s responsibility
«
Reply #6 on:
October 11, 2019, 06:06:21 PM »
Buy her a bike with a high vis vest
Logged
"Look! There's a rhythmic ceremonial ritual coming up" ... Dr. Emmett Brown
https://twitter.com/#
!/Steven_Sethi
https://www.instagram.com/stevensethi/?hl=en
Pokerpops
Hero Member
Offline
Posts: 1423
Re: Employer’s responsibility
«
Reply #7 on:
October 11, 2019, 08:44:19 PM »
Some good stuff here, thanks.
She’s going to have a word with her manager and see what help/advice they can offer. She’s a touch shy so asking colleagues direct is hard for her, hopefully the manager will help her out with that.
Cycling at 3am is only safer because it’s quicker, but it is at least quicker.
Logged
"More than at any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly."
ripple11
Hero Member
Offline
Posts: 6330
Re: Employer’s responsibility
«
Reply #8 on:
October 11, 2019, 09:49:53 PM »
Wow an 18 yr old girl walking home for 2 miles at 3am.....I would never allow that if I were her manager.
Maybe she can change the shift pattern until she passes her test?....or can someone give her a lift?
Logged
bunnydas8888
Sr. Member
Offline
Posts: 336
Re: Employer’s responsibility
«
Reply #9 on:
October 12, 2019, 09:48:30 AM »
From experience of being a manager in a supermarket on a similar shift pattern is that the employer don't have to do anything here. I'm guessing she is contracted to certain hours, so once they wanted to move the shift pattern to the later hours, they should have consulted with employees who would have consented. If an employee did not consent to the new contract then the employee couldn't do much about it unless they went down a redundancy route.
Logged
vegaslover
Hero Member
Offline
Posts: 4618
Re: Employer’s responsibility
«
Reply #10 on:
October 12, 2019, 09:58:16 PM »
Employer doesn't have to do anything about how people get to and from work outside of work hours.
Logged
celtic
Global Moderator
Hero Member
Offline
Posts: 19111
Re: Employer’s responsibility
«
Reply #11 on:
October 13, 2019, 12:49:54 AM »
https://www.workingfamilies.org.uk/articles/the-law-when-an-employer-asks-you-to-change-your-hours/
Does anything in that link help?
Logged
Keefy is back
But for how long?
Pokerpops
Hero Member
Offline
Posts: 1423
Re: Employer’s responsibility
«
Reply #12 on:
October 13, 2019, 03:59:26 PM »
Quote from: bunnydas8888 on October 12, 2019, 09:48:30 AM
From experience of being a manager in a supermarket on a similar shift pattern is that the employer don't have to do anything here. I'm guessing she is contracted to certain hours, so once they wanted to move the shift pattern to the later hours, they should have consulted with employees who would have consented. If an employee did not consent to the new contract then the employee couldn't do much about it unless they went down a redundancy route.
Quote from: vegaslover on October 12, 2019, 09:58:16 PM
Employer doesn't have to do anything about how people get to and from work outside of work hours.
You are both correct, but it feels very much as though you shouldn’t be. Employers should have a duty of care that extends beyond the specific contracted hours. In this instance the store is a minimum 20 minute walk to the closest residential area and the route is along a road lined with industrial units.
Quote from: celtic on October 13, 2019, 12:49:54 AM
https://www.workingfamilies.org.uk/articles/the-law-when-an-employer-asks-you-to-change-your-hours/
Does anything in that link help?
It’s of interest, and there is a sense that the shift change is indirectly discriminatory against young staff both female and male. Will wait for now to see if the manager comes up with anything helpful.
Logged
"More than at any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly."
Jon MW
Hero Member
Offline
Posts: 6191
Re: Employer’s responsibility
«
Reply #13 on:
October 13, 2019, 07:32:55 PM »
Quote from: Pokerpops on October 13, 2019, 03:59:26 PM
Quote from: bunnydas8888 on October 12, 2019, 09:48:30 AM
From experience of being a manager in a supermarket on a similar shift pattern is that the employer don't have to do anything here. I'm guessing she is contracted to certain hours, so once they wanted to move the shift pattern to the later hours, they should have consulted with employees who would have consented. If an employee did not consent to the new contract then the employee couldn't do much about it unless they went down a redundancy route.
Quote from: vegaslover on October 12, 2019, 09:58:16 PM
Employer doesn't have to do anything about how people get to and from work outside of work hours.
You are both correct, but it feels very much as though you shouldn’t be.
Employers should have a duty of care that extends beyond the specific contracted hours
. In this instance the store is a minimum 20 minute walk to the closest residential area and the route is along a road lined with industrial units.
...
They do have a duty of care for staff travelling to and from work - it's been tested and confirmed in court.
But like I suggested before it's kind of hard to take any enforcement in situations like this - if they don't want to do anything then it's more of a case that if something happened they could get in trouble after the event.
And having read this - it would have to be temporary or irregular for it to avoid tax and NI implications (primarily for the employer)
https://smallbusiness.co.uk/providing-transport-for-employees-261533/
Logged
Jon "the British cowboy" Woodfield
2011 blonde MTT League August Champion
2011 UK Team Championships: Black Belt Poker Team Captain - - runners up - -
5 Star HORSE Classic - 2007 Razz Champion
2007 WSOP Razz - 13/341
Pokerpops
Hero Member
Offline
Posts: 1423
Re: Employer’s responsibility
«
Reply #14 on:
October 13, 2019, 08:17:29 PM »
Quote from: Jon MW on October 13, 2019, 07:32:55 PM
Quote from: Pokerpops on October 13, 2019, 03:59:26 PM
Quote from: bunnydas8888 on October 12, 2019, 09:48:30 AM
From experience of being a manager in a supermarket on a similar shift pattern is that the employer don't have to do anything here. I'm guessing she is contracted to certain hours, so once they wanted to move the shift pattern to the later hours, they should have consulted with employees who would have consented. If an employee did not consent to the new contract then the employee couldn't do much about it unless they went down a redundancy route.
Quote from: vegaslover on October 12, 2019, 09:58:16 PM
Employer doesn't have to do anything about how people get to and from work outside of work hours.
You are both correct, but it feels very much as though you shouldn’t be.
Employers should have a duty of care that extends beyond the specific contracted hours
. In this instance the store is a minimum 20 minute walk to the closest residential area and the route is along a road lined with industrial units.
...
They do have a duty of care for staff travelling to and from work - it's been tested and confirmed in court.
But like I suggested before it's kind of hard to take any enforcement in situations like this - if they don't want to do anything then it's more of a case that if something happened they could get in trouble after the event.
And having read this - it would have to be temporary or irregular for it to avoid tax and NI implications (primarily for the employer)
https://smallbusiness.co.uk/providing-transport-for-employees-261533/
I’d seen the stuff you linked there, and as you say it is more relevant to occasional late working beyond normal end time.
I can’t find anything that supports the idea that the employer can be compelled to either provide transport or alternative work.
Logged
"More than at any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly."
Pages:
[
1
]
2
« previous
next »
Jump to:
Please select a destination:
-----------------------------
Poker Forums
-----------------------------
=> The Rail
===> past blonde Bashes
===> Best of blonde
=> Diaries and Blogs
=> Live Tournament Updates
=> Live poker
===> Live Tournament Staking
=> Internet Poker
===> Online Tournament Staking
=> Poker Hand Analysis
===> Learning Centre
-----------------------------
Community Forums
-----------------------------
=> The Lounge
=> Betting Tips and Sport Discussion
Loading...