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Junior Senior
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Re: Agree with the guy?
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Reply #15 on:
February 09, 2006, 06:39:07 PM »
JP,
i generalise here but if you are gonna bring your moves and come and play on stars with us cyberfishes - remember this.....
idiots don't fold pretty hands - if they like it, they play it regardless of what hey think you have. - simple. Save your moves for rocks like me - i WILL fold. idiot americans ont'internet DON'T
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Re: Agree with the guy?
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February 10, 2006, 08:26:40 PM »
Quote from: Bobwah on February 09, 2006, 02:46:59 PM
Having said that, once he'd bet out so convincingly I think trying to get him to fold with the all-in raise was very ambitious. I think you probably knew that you were taking the arse-end of a coin-flip but frustration got the better of you. In his place I'd have called too. If you won't see through the hand with AQ when you flop an A then why play it in the first place.
Bob
I agree. No way he lays down AQ after the flop after calling a reraise out of position before it and betting out so confidently. Therefore your play amounts to gambling on a very average flush draw with no high-card or straight potential.
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KeithyB
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Re: Agree with the guy?
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February 12, 2006, 01:38:24 AM »
I agree with previous posters that judging by the bets of your opponent it is very unlikely that he will fold to your reraise especially as he has you covered chipwise.
My only other comment would be from your quote.....
Quote from: JP on February 08, 2006, 05:49:23 PM
I will get no hands and blind off til I have to lump it all in and i generally run into something. I thought I was playing them too tight.
You're nowhere near that situation here though....over 1500 chips and blinds only 15/30. Re-raising twice with nothing against a bigger stack seems an unnecessary risk to your tournament life here. You can afford to wait until you really do have AK !
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Re: Agree with the guy?
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February 12, 2006, 02:29:10 AM »
Quote from: ACE2M on February 09, 2006, 10:37:42 AM
Personally i love your play here but just think he ain't good enough to get rid.
I agree. How can AQ possibly be good here after being re-raised pre-flop and re-raised all in on the flop? What could you have that he is beating, except a bluff/semibluff?
I think he was simply playing his hand without giving any thought to what your bets were telling him. Alternatively, your opponent may be very good, and understood exactly what you were doing
Either way, the third player who said 'wow that was stupid' clearly did not understand what was going on.
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Re: Agree with the guy?
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February 13, 2006, 11:48:47 PM »
JP,
Nothing worng with your play at all, after spending a lot of time learning from great players over the last year or so. The only way you win tournaments is piling on continued pressure straight from the start, re raising T7 here is a quality play IMO and its why players like Patrik Antonius are starting to dominate poker, they are unreadable, its clear that your opponent with AQ is a few steps behind you and is pretty clueless and wouldnt pass AQ on a 654 flop i bet.
UL, load another game up bud.
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Re: Agree with the guy?
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February 14, 2006, 12:22:50 AM »
If i am playing JP i play AQ the same way
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Re: Agree with the guy?
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February 14, 2006, 12:32:26 AM »
I think you need to pick your targets better
Against the poorer players, you have to just play ABC poker, they're not good enough to appreciate (or fold) to subtle plays. I think there's something like that in Super System 2.
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Re: Agree with the guy?
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February 23, 2006, 01:20:20 AM »
Dogs don't do kungfu. Pulling a move like this on a seasoned pro, or anylitical poker super brain would of worked, esp at early doors.
Did you out play yourself?
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Re: Agree with the guy?
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February 24, 2006, 08:33:26 AM »
Quote from: JP on February 08, 2006, 05:49:23 PM
Ok this was what I wanted to know.
Basically I have a very good record in NL tournaments but these $100 and $150 freezeouts on stars are proving hard work for me and i seem to go out in the same way every time.
I will get no hands and blind off til I have to lump it all in and i generally run into something. I thought I was playing them too tight.
Now i am not a person to go "oh the structure is too fast" etc I am looking at a way to adapt to these fast paced tourneys as i think they are great value.
In UBs equivalent $100 tourneys it has a LONGER clock, MORE starting chips MORE levels AND the running antes kick in much later.
On UB i seem to amass a big stack with ease where as on stars I have trouble getting above the starting stack. Now you might say UB is easier but the general consensus is that Ub has better quality players than Stars.
So I will play a few more and will try unconventional methods to accumulate some chips.
And Bundle with a big stack and in the bigger events my style can be loose aggressive.
thoughts on adapting to different structures and words from people who do well in these
I particularly like the PokerStars $150 NL multi, I've played it 17 times and final tabled twice in fields of 400+ runners.
In my opinion the best way to play the first three levels of this tournament is solid ABC poker. Included in this is seeing as many flops as possible in late position in unraised pots during the first two levels, as your implied odds are huge. The reason for this is quite simple, half the field in this tournie really don't have a clue and will not laydown anything semi-decent. You could fold every hand for the first thirty minutes and then when you eventually hit something you will still get paid off.
The particular hand you posted obviously I would fold preflop, the only time I make a reraise steal in an online multi is when I have in the region of 12-18 big blinds and it is highly likely that the iniital raiser is stealing - so if I was small blind and you open raised on the button for example and I have a stack of 14 big blinds I would be tempted to reraise allin with virtually anything as this move would add a nice 30% to my stack
It's utterly frustrating when you go a few tournies seeing no hands and not hitting any flops, but even if you are card dead and end the first hour with 1,200 chips you still have a chance.
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Re: Agree with the guy?
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March 03, 2006, 12:06:25 AM »
Quote from: mex on February 23, 2006, 01:20:20 AM
Dogs don't do kungfu.
Er, Hong Kong Phooey ?
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Re: Agree with the guy?
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March 21, 2006, 08:30:46 AM »
if you remember he was rubbish at it, and if you know the definition of kungfu,(lots of poker players have good kungfu), then yes doogs don't do it.
okay who fancied the female cop in this, the trashy NYPD chick?
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Re: Agree with the guy?
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March 23, 2006, 09:23:56 AM »
Calling With AQ preflop even if he knows your style jp is still a terrible play because if he didn't hit ace or queen on the flop he'd fold to your all in on the flop and curse his 'bad luck'
If he truly thought you were making a move, with the number of chips in the pot he would have moved all in.
It's not even possible he was trying to trap you on the flop because he bet out..........very bizarre play in my opinion.
I think when you pushed all in on the flop although your arguement that he may be testing you to see if you liked the ace, is a good one. You probably knew that he was most likely to call in spite of the obvious threat of you holding AK or better.
We have all seen KK or QQ make that call...........
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