Middle set lay down

[ACE2M]

I dont like the call with AJ here. Sooo many hands U are loosing to if an ace flops (ie AK AQ Ax where x is also on the flop)

But when the J comes - GET IT IN!!! If they have a set, well gl to them

I got it all in even when saying to myself he has a set, of course he had a set of 66's and i was out. Little bet on the flop just to obvious and reeled me in on the turn. ah well.

[NoflopsHomer]

I never call a raise with AJ. I might open the pot with it, or re-raise when in the blinds. Otherwise I'll pass.

[WellChief]

There's no way he should ever have considered laying this down, however you should have layed down your kings.  What else is he going to check-raise a raise and a reraise with..

[ACE2M]

There's no way he should ever have considered laying this down, however you should have layed down your kings.  What else is he going to check-raise a raise and a reraise with..

My play is undoubtedly questionable but i was more intrested in what he layed down than my fishy play.

[Splash]

I posted an article in my blog on laying down set in a cash game a few weeks ago.... it's a mugs laydown

I have just read your blog splash. Most enjoyable.

TYVM... glad u enjoyed it

[WellChief]

My god I never realised he folded it I thought you said he took an eternity before calling.  Can't believe anyone would fold this.

[doubleup]

I smell bovine excrement - $4 players don't laydown sets - even if he thinks you have a set, bottom is much more likely than top given pre-flop action.

[ACE2M]

i shall pull up the hand history when i get home for your perusal mr double up.

Not sure the chat is in there, hope it is.

[doubleup]

i shall pull up the hand history when i get home for your perusal mr double up.

Not sure the chat is in there, hope it is.

I'm not questioning what he said - I just don't believe him.

[ACE2M]

The numbers are slightly different but the theme is the same.
All the chat shows the length of time it took him to fold and his desperate plee for me to show the hand, makes me beleive him.



PokerStars Game #3905290031:  Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2006/02/08 - 17:16:31 (ET)
Table 'Odysseus II' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Calculateor ($396.70 in chips)
Seat 2: FRiaR SKanK ($561.40 in chips)
Seat 3: dregs125 ($424.15 in chips)
Seat 4: darice ($502 in chips)
Seat 5: S_System ($604.35 in chips)
Seat 6: tommyk1 ($352.95 in chips)
Seat 7: iMTHaDoCTA ($396 in chips)
Seat 8: Miss Pretty ($419.30 in chips)
Seat 9: luckyman71 ($530.70 in chips)
iMTHaDoCTA: posts small blind $2
Miss Pretty: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tommyk1 [ ]
luckyman71: folds
Calculateor: folds
FRiaR SKanK: folds
dregs125: raises $8 to $12
darice: folds
S_System: folds
tommyk1: calls $12
iMTHaDoCTA: calls $10
Miss Pretty: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
iMTHaDoCTA: checks
dregs125: bets $20
tommyk1: raises $32 to $52
iMTHaDoCTA: raises $32 to $84
dregs125: folds
tommyk1: raises $256.95 to $340.95 and is all-in
iMTHaDoCTA said, "tommy"
iMTHaDoCTA said, "show please?"
Miss Pretty said, "no, don't show!"
Miss Pretty said, "j/k"
dregs125 said, "show the jj"
Miss Pretty said, "show, show!"
FRiaR SKanK said, "lol dont show!"
Miss Pretty said, "show, show, show, show"
iMTHaDoCTA has timed out
iMTHaDoCTA: folds
iMTHaDoCTA is sitting out
iMTHaDoCTA has returned
tommyk1 collected $225 from pot
Miss Pretty said, "show"
tommyk1: doesn't show hand
FRiaR SKanK said, "YEA"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $228 | Rake $3
Board [ ]
Seat 1: Calculateor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: FRiaR SKanK folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: dregs125 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: darice folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: S_System folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: tommyk1 (button) collected ($225)
Seat 7: iMTHaDoCTA (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: Miss Pretty (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: luckyman71 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[ACE2M]

The rest of the conversation picked out from the following hands...  i beleive him




dregs125 said, "folded qq"

Miss Pretty said, "noooooooooooooooooooo"

iMTHaDoCTA said, "what else can he have there"
Miss Pretty said, "72"
FRiaR SKanK said, "pocket "

iMTHaDoCTA said, "ha ha"

dregs125 said, "imth  88?"
 

iMTHaDoCTA said, "yes"

iMTHaDoCTA said, "was about to get smashed"




tommyk1 said, "you folded middle set?"

iMTHaDoCTA said, "nb if u did that with less"
iMTHaDoCTA said, "lol"

Miss Pretty said, "not to mention, anyone bluffing is just looking for a reason to show..."






Miss Pretty said, "with us saying show, show... he woulda showed any bad hand"

Miss Pretty said, "(probably)"

tommyk1 said, "you know harrington says 'after somebody tells me how they layed down middle set after some intricate chain of reasoning, i think silently IDIOT'"



dregs125 said, "theres no question it was jj"

dregs125 said, "i folded qq"

iMTHaDoCTA said, "thats in a tourny"
dregs125 said, "he reraises pre with kk or aa"




tommyk1 said, "you wanna know what i had?"

Miss Pretty said, "don't lie..."

Miss Pretty said, "don't lie..."

Miss Pretty said, "oh, do you need an answer? i do, i do!"

Miss Pretty said, "i wanna know"

tommyk1 said, "he just got it back on another table anyway"

tommyk1 said, "JJ"
Miss Pretty said, "good laydown"
S_System: bets $200iMTHaDoCTA said, "as for what harrington says im sure he means in tourny"

[doubleup]

ok but it's an appalling mistake

[Alex Scott]

He has folded 88 as he is certain that i have JJ as that is the only hand i could possibly make that move with.

Out of interest, did he show the eights? There's always the possibility that he's lying and all he's folded is one pair smaller than yours.

I know I often lie about the hand I've laid down, usually exaggerating its strength. It gets me into trouble occasionally though, usually when I say I folded the nut flush draw and they then show me the ace of the suit.

[ACE2M]

He has folded 88 as he is certain that i have JJ as that is the only hand i could possibly make that move with.

Out of interest, did he show the eights? There's always the possibility that he's lying and all he's folded is one pair smaller than yours.

I know I often lie about the hand I've laid down, usually exaggerating its strength. It gets me into trouble occasionally though, usually when I say I folded the nut flush draw and they then show me the ace of the suit.

not possible on stars.

I wish they would get it as i really like that facility on UB

[doubleup]

Hmmm slightly related to this situation there is a thread on twoplustwo no limit high stakes forum entitled "Final Pot Related To Blinds".  Sklansky appears to agree with a second set laydown under some circumstances.