The Ongoing Debate

[Sheriff Fatman]

Luton.

At the Fessie before last (I missed the last one) , several of us went to Carmel & suggested that, in our opinion, the structure was top heavy.

She changed it IMMEDIATELy - there & then, & there were no complaints about the new, flatter, structure.

So it CAN be done, & it HAS been done, & lets applaud Carmel for her brave initiative.

They may have flattened the structure but they still left in a lot of the other, totally illogical, issues surrounding payouts - the payment increments were still uneven and the bottom payouts still meant players in the money went home having made a loss.

There are more issues here to consider than just the 1st prize percentage.

Sheriff

[tikay]

Luton.

At the Fessie before last (I missed the last one) , several of us went to Carmel & suggested that, in our opinion, the structure was top heavy.

She changed it IMMEDIATELy - there & then, & there were no complaints about the new, flatter, structure.

So it CAN be done, & it HAS been done, & lets applaud Carmel for her brave initiative.

They may have flattened the structure but they still left in a lot of the other, totally illogical, issues surrounding payouts - the payment increments were still uneven and the bottom payouts still meant players in the money went home having made a loss.

There are more issues here to consider than just the 1st prize percentage.

Sheriff

Fine - then we should take all or any of the issues to Carmel. I GUARANTEE she will listen, & if the argument is reasonable, she will change things. After all, she is there to please, & keep our custom, & she does it well imo.

If we don't tell them (politely & reasionably) then how are they gonna know? Moaning is NOT the answer. Constructive dialogue IS. IMHO......

[snoopy1239]

As a recreational player I like the tournament payout structure as it was at the Festival main event. Imagine winning the Blu Square sat and then going home with £70k. It is why people play the game. I can understand the proffessionals wanting a flatter structure but the alure of the top place life changing cash is why most non pros play. I would never agree to deal as it ended up at Walsall .The thought of tens of thousands riding on your skill and the turn of a card is the biggest buzz. This is why I want to play big events. We all play poker to win and when you win a tournament main event you should win big.

I respect and understand everyones views but just dont agree with the majority here.

good luck

jezza

I wouldn't have dealt either. Guaranteed 19.5k already. Go for it!!! Live a little.

snoops what happened last time you were at the final of the £300 in walsall?

Chop chop.

but that's a bit different to a festival main event with 3 players left.

[snoopy1239]

It should be noted that Nightfly made clear efforts to listen to us.

In fact, last time I went to the Gala for the £30 freezout, the prize list was flatter and their were NO deals. In fact, the last 4 times I have gone down, there have been NO deals.

[Bongo]

Deals are back, structure remains.

Last time I was there taffy was moaning to (i think his name is??) Ron about the new flatter structures.

He said that they'd suffer for bigger comps as people wouldn't travel.

Ron said he'd see how it went but they were sticking with it for the foreseeable future.

Structures don't matter to fish like me who never cash 

[tikay]

Taff was moaning? Now there's a thing.........

[Royal Flush]

Taff was moaning? Now there's a thing.........

 

We should get him on blonde, imagine the fun!

[Royal Flush]

It should be noted that Nightfly made clear efforts to listen to us.

In fact, last time I went to the Gala for the £30 freezout, the prize list was flatter and their were NO deals. In fact, the last 4 times I have gone down, there have been NO deals.

How would you know? Not like you lasted that long!

[tikay]

Taff was moaning? Now there's a thing.........

 

We should get him on blonde, imagine the fun!

Well, he would tell us how to run blonde, thats for sure....

[ifm]

I like the whole democratic part of this debate, it should be put to a vote with the members of the particular casino.
As it is there are very few complaints about payout structures at any casino i have ever been in (i have never even heard a complaint about it in a casino before Red the other day), the majority must be happy about it?
The payout structure is, and most likely always will be, dictated by the deals people do, if the people involved in that particular comp on that particular day want it flatter they can do it themselves but you want to force your own personal preference on everyone else.
If walsall or the broadway or anywhere else change the structure without asking the people it affects there will be (and quite rightly) complaints.
I remember Chili complaining about the structure changing at Notts out of the blue, it's not up to the casinos or at least shouldn't be.

[tikay]

Yes, but what is the correct starting point Ian? This is real chicken & egg stuff!

I take your point 100% - democratic, don't change without asking, bla bla bla. All fine & agreed.

But they never asked ME - NOBNODY ever did - if I was happy to start off at 40% top Prize. And my money is as good as any other players money, surely?

So I could just as easily argue for, say, starting it off at 28% First Prize & make the same argument you have.

Who agreed the 40% starting point? I never did, & I know many who would never agree to it, just as I know many who would.

So how come the 40%-ers held sway? - or used to, before it got changed........

[RED-DOG]

I did ask, and I asked the people who were playing the festival

Every man Jack of them thought the prize structure was terrible, I also asked them if they had complained, everyone said no

Most peple don't like to complain, it dosn't mean they like things the way they are


Carmell changed the structure at Luton and was congratulated, both on here and at the casino



btw, we were all members of the casino, otherwise we wouldn't be allowed to play

[ifm]

It may have started at 28% for all i know and people power got it changed, that isn't the point, i'm saying if it is to be changed from what it is now then it should be done right.
I actually think if it were voted on throughout the land it would be kept the way it is, at least there is room to deal down to a flatter structure, if it were a flatter structure to start there is no room to go the other way.
The whole point of this seems to be to try and prevent deals and i just can't think of a reason why some people want to stop deals, if you don't like 'em don't do 'em, let the rest do as they like with (i say this again) their money!!

[RED-DOG]

Deals are rarely done untill the last four, the poor sods who come in the minor places leave feeling disapointed rather than elated

There is nothing wrong with deals, they will always be a part of poker, but a flatter structure would be fairer to all, by your reconing there should just be one prize, 100% for 1st

[ifm]

by your reconing there should just be one prize, 100% for 1st

I never said that or think it, i am happy to go along with the majority, i just don't want new structures forced on us because a few people are not happy.
Just read a post from Tim Flanders elsewhere and it looks as if he was pressured into a deal, that i don't agree with.